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Anti-nuclear protest attracts nearly 13,000

TAIPEI, Taiwan -- About 13,000 people staged a sit-down demonstration near the presidential palace demanding the government immediately terminate the Fourth Nuclear Power Plant project, yesterday.

Roads leading to the presidential office were barricaded, with police saying that 1,800 officers were deployed in the area to monitor the protest against the so-called Nuke 4 project.

Protesters started gathering for the rally on Ketegalan Boulevard at about 4 p.m. and a sudden downpour half an hour later did not deter them from staying on.

A protest leader, Tsay Ting-kuei — a professor from National Taiwan University — led about 150 demonstrators in a walk around the old city gate, “Ching Fu Men,” standing in the middle of the road linking Ketegalan.

Anti-nuclear sentiments have been running high after opposition leader Lin Yi-hsiung started a hunger strike Tuesday demanding Nuke 4 be scrapped.

The sit-down protest took place as Lin Yi-hsiung continued fasting without the Ma administration making meaningful pledges in response.

Lin Fei-fan, a leader of the recently concluded Sunflower Movement, also showed up to lend support to the demonstrators.

An anti-nuclear road run had already been held in the area in the morning and another massive march down Taipei streets is scheduled for today.

Organizers said they are considering “occupying” a section of Zhongxiao West Road near the Executive Yuan in today's rally and to protest “indefinitely” until their demands are met.

The authorities have been on high alert monitoring demonstrations since the Sunflower Movement, which saw students occupy the Legislature for about three weeks and storm the government headquarters.

Taipei Mayor Hau Lung-bin urged the anti-nuclear protestors to stay calm, but stressed that he respected their rights to voice their opinions.

City police said that apart from the 1,800 officers already deployed in the area around the presidential palace, another 2,000 were standing by.

Meanwhile, the Economics Ministry stressed that it does not have a timetable for loading the fuel rods at Nuke 4.

The ministry said it expects Nuke 4 to complete on-site safety inspections by the end of June, but it will still have to submit related papers to the Atomic Energy Council (AEC) by the end of September.

The safety inspection will not be formally concluded until the AEC approves it, the ministry said. Only after the AEC certifies the safety of the plant can Taiwan Power Company (Taipower) apply for permission to load the fuel rods, the ministry added.

The ministry was dismissing reports that claimed it would have Taipower apply for permission to load fuel rods as soon as the on-site safety inspection was completed.

The ministry said that if Nuke 4 fails to begin commercial operations by the summer of 2016, Taiwan may face power shortages. However, because of safety concerns, it said, there is no timetable for loading the fuel rods.

April 27, 2014    lumixjc@
TAIWAN IS AN EXPORT ORIENTED COUNTRY THAT RELIES HEAVILY ON EXPORT. THUS, TAIWAN NEEDS AMPLE SUPPLY OF ELECTRICITY TO RUN ITS FACTORIES.... WITH CONVENTIONAL POWER SOURCE, THIS IS NOT ENOUGH.ONLY THRU NUCLEAR PLANTS CAN TAIWAN ATTAIN ITS EXPORT GOAL TO KEEP ITS ECONOMY RUNNING... TAIWANESE ARE USED TO RUNNING EVERYTHING THRU ELECTRICITY AT LOW COSTS. THEY NEED MORE NUCLEAR PLANTS. I WONDER WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO TAIWAN IF THE ELECTRICAL CONSUMPTION WILL NOT BE ENOUGH.
April 27, 2014    yao1931@
Let me bring to light the truth behind the present controversy over the 4th Nuclear Power Plant. It was the DPP not KMT who at the inception supported construction of the plant and budgeted some NT$40 billion for the project. As the Chinese saying goes well, if you want to take out your resentment, you first find out the source of resentment and then direct your resentment towards. (怨有頭,債有主)
April 27, 2014    Mordrake@
No one is going to invest in Taiwan if there are questions about power supply for their business. Welcome to Philippine style brown outs & power cuts. Thousands of jobs will be lost, as foreign investors leave Taiwan for China & Vietnam. No air cons in summer. Lovely.

This will be the final 'hollowing-out' of Taiwan’s industrial base, which the same anti-FTA lobby is bringing about. Taiwan's only industry will then be Tourism - just like the Philippines - except without the beaches & islands - i.e. tourism revenue will be a small fraction of theirs.

Welcome to Third world Taiwan. It’s what the greens want. High unemployment, zero job prospects, and an economy as bad as Cambodia & the Philippines. Just so they can pursue their idealistic pipe dreams.

Well you can't have your cake and eat it. The majority of the people are soon going to get very VERY annoyed - in fact livid - with this blinkered vision commandeering of Taiwan’s democracy. Wake up everyone - you need a counter-protest before it’s too late.

Because, you can bet, once the economy has been destroyed, these same weasels will be blaming the KMT for the sorry state of affairs - yet again.
April 28, 2014    500cc@
The government claimed twenty years ago that power shortages and economic growth effects would occur if the plant were not built, and it has never varied from that line. Obviously these things never happened. It was lies at the beginning, and it is still lies. There are plenty of other ways Taiwan can generate power. Not to mention reduce demand through improved conservation...
April 28, 2014    asd45@
"It was the DPP not KMT who at the inception supported construction of the plant and budgeted some NT$40 billion for the project"

That's BS and you know it. Chen Shui-bian called a halt to construction, and the KMT was quick to scream that it was unconstitutional. First check your facts before you attempt to throw mud at the DPP.
April 29, 2014    Dwang058@
To the 13,000 well intentioned but misguided protesters, let's look at the alternatives: Are you in favor of adding co2 emissions with more coal or gas power plants to make up for the shortfall? Yes, burning natural gas still emits global warming pollutants. Do you actually believe solar and wind are reliable sources of energy? What happens at night, on cloudy days, windless environment? You do understand electricity generated cannot be stored, I.e. Using sunny day surplus to power your a/c at night.

According to a wsj article, Taiwan will face blanket 40% increase in electricity bills come 2018 when the first of three nuclear facilities is decommissioned. The same article also cites potentially debilitating power outages.

Is it really necessary to politicize this issue? Have you considered the sacrifices that this country and its citizens will endure when our economic competitiveness tanks due to higher energy costs? If you have, and are fine with the dystopian future, then be open about that and take responsibility for lowering everyone's standard of living.
April 29, 2014    hanssc@
Dwang058:
"What happens at night, on cloudy days, windless environment?"

You want to teach us something while you don't even know energy from both solar and wind sources can be stored??
April 29, 2014    ursul77@
@dwang58. Ever heard of Google? Well, use it to check some facts regarding alternative power sources. And while you're at it, look at how energy efficiency programs have declined power consumption in countries like Australia and the US.
April 29, 2014    fortune@
A government poll found(28/4) that 65.6 percent of the public agreed that construction should stop and the fourth plant should not operate, while 72.1 percent agreed that work should stop and a referendum should decide whether construction should continue or not. That's one helluva lot of "misguided" people!
April 29, 2014    jenny@
According to the Central Weather Bureau, which also monitors seismic activity, Taiwan experiences an average of 2,200 earthquakes annually, of which more than 200 are actually felt. Based on statistics, the island was hit by 96 “catastrophic” earthquakes since 1900. On September 21, 1999, central Taiwan was ravaged by a magnitude 7.3 earthquake that killed 2,415 people and injured more than 11,000, while causing more than $10 billion in damage and disrupting the global supply of key computer components. How can anyone claim being able to ensure the safety of Nukes on the capital's doorstep?
April 29, 2014    pcliu@
While the Ma administration continues to push nuclear power as the solution to Taiwan's industrial and economic forecasts of the 1990s, the same administration has played a major role in shifting Taiwan's economy from the energy intensive industries of silicon wafer manufacturing and other tech based sectors, having outsourced those industries to China beginning with the 12" wafer plants.

The types of industries promoted by the KMT as representative of Taiwan's future are tourism and service-based and have no need for all the kilowatts Ma claims Taiwan is lacking.
April 30, 2014    eddy@
Dwang058@ wrote:
To the 13,000 well intentioned but misguided protesters, let's look at the alternatives: Are you in favor of adding co2 emissions with more coal or gas power plants to make up for the shortfall? Yes, burning natural gas still emits global warming pollutants. Do you actually believe solar and wind are reliable sources of energy? What happens at night, on cloudy days, windless environment? You do understand electricity generated cannot be stored, I.e. Using sunny day surplus to power your a/c at night.

According to a wsj article, Taiwan will face blanket 40% increase in electricity bills come 2018 when the first of three nuclear facilities is decommissioned. The same article also cites potentially debilitating power outages.

Is it really necessary to politicize this issue? Have you considered the sacrifices that this country and its citizens will endure when our economic competitiveness tanks due to higher energy costs? If you have, and are fine with the dystopian future, then be open about that and take responsibility for lowering everyone's standard of living.
This is just the DPP sending in their thugs for their own political schemes. They care more about winning votes than about the people's welfare.
April 30, 2014    johnny@
eddy@:

YEAH!! And we're winning pal!! Eat your heart out. GREEN RULES!!!
April 30, 2014    Dwang058@
hanssc@ wrote:
Dwang058:
"What happens at night, on cloudy days, windless environment?"

You want to teach us something while you don't even know energy from both solar and wind sources can be stored??
Taiwan's current nuclear plants have a combined capacity of roughly 5,000 megawatts.

The total EXPECTED electricity storage in the US by the year 2020 is roughly half that, at 2,600 megawatts. Total globally is around 9,000 megawatts by the year 2020.

hanssc and ursul77, we all want safe, clean, reliable energy, but is it feasible to expect Taiwan to leapfrog over the US, with its land, technological, financial, etc. advantages, and produce enough energy storage from inconsistent renewable sources to make up for the shortfall? Maybe you can "teach" Taiwan something.

fortune: if might makes right, why have a representative democracy in place? What recourse do you have, when one day you find yourself on the short end of public opinion?
May 2, 2014    ntcmtlpeterlee@
lumixjc@ wrote:
TAIWAN IS AN EXPORT ORIENTED COUNTRY THAT RELIES HEAVILY ON EXPORT. THUS, TAIWAN NEEDS AMPLE SUPPLY OF ELECTRICITY TO RUN ITS FACTORIES.... WITH CONVENTIONAL POWER SOURCE, THIS IS NOT ENOUGH.ONLY THRU NUCLEAR PLANTS CAN TAIWAN ATTAIN ITS EXPORT GOAL TO KEEP ITS ECONOMY RUNNING... TAIWANESE ARE USED TO RUNNING EVERYTHING THRU ELECTRICITY AT LOW COSTS. THEY NEED MORE NUCLEAR PLANTS. I WONDER WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO TAIWAN IF THE ELECTRICAL CONSUMPTION WILL NOT BE ENOUGH.
If Taiwan can build nuclear power plant at much higher cost for ample supply of electrical power, why not build conventional power plant at much lower cost. If you know the right way to do cost analysis for both types of power plants, you will be shocked by the result. Yes,
Taiwanese need more power plants, but not more nuclear power plants.
May 2, 2014    ntcmtlpeterlee@
yao1931@ wrote:
Let me bring to light the truth behind the present controversy over the 4th Nuclear Power Plant. It was the DPP not KMT who at the inception supported construction of the plant and budgeted some NT$40 billion for the project. As the Chinese saying goes well, if you want to take out your resentment, you first find out the source of resentment and then direct your resentment towards. (怨有頭,債有主)
You got the point, but only halfway. Yes, it was DPP that initiated this terrible project. However, after KMT took over the government, it just went on. Now, after the whole world, not only Taiwanese, were awakened after Fukushima tragedy, DPP has regretted and is trying to terminate this wrong project. If KMT insists to go on in the wrong direction, my conclusion will be 'KMT is stupid, stubborn, and much worse than DPP'.
May 2, 2014    ntcmtlpeterlee@
Mordrake@ wrote:
No one is going to invest in Taiwan if there are questions about power supply for their business. Welcome to Philippine style brown outs & power cuts. Thousands of jobs will be lost, as foreign investors leave Taiwan for China & Vietnam. No air cons in summer. Lovely.

This will be the final 'hollowing-out' of Taiwan’s industrial base, which the same anti-FTA lobby is bringing about. Taiwan's only industry will then be Tourism - just like the Philippines - except without the beaches & islands - i.e. tourism revenue will be a small fraction of theirs.

Welcome to Third world Taiwan. It’s what the greens want. High unemployment, zero job prospects, and an economy as bad as Cambodia & the Philippines. Just so they can pursue their idealistic pipe dreams.

Well you can't have your cake and eat it. The majority of the people are soon going to get very VERY annoyed - in fact livid - with this blinkered vision commandeering of Taiwan’s democracy. Wake up everyone - you need a counter-protest before it’s too late.

Because, you can bet, once the economy has been destroyed, these same weasels will be blaming the KMT for the sorry state of affairs - yet again.
Your worry is not necessary. Without addition of nuclear power plant, Taiwan can build more conventional power plants for ample supply of electrical power. Nuclear power plant is not the unique choice. Conventional power plant is much, much safer than nuclear one. It is also much cheaper if you do the cost analysis in the right way, considering all the necessary and possible expenses for the nuclear power plant. Can you figure out how much it will cost Japan to restore after Fukushima tragedy? How would you feel if a nuclear plant is located in your county?
May 2, 2014    ntcmtlpeterlee@
500cc@ wrote:
The government claimed twenty years ago that power shortages and economic growth effects would occur if the plant were not built, and it has never varied from that line. Obviously these things never happened. It was lies at the beginning, and it is still lies. There are plenty of other ways Taiwan can generate power. Not to mention reduce demand through improved conservation...
You are absolutely right! I am very glad to read your comment.
May 2, 2014    ntcmtlpeterlee@
asd45@ wrote:
"It was the DPP not KMT who at the inception supported construction of the plant and budgeted some NT$40 billion for the project"

That's BS and you know it. Chen Shui-bian called a halt to construction, and the KMT was quick to scream that it was unconstitutional. First check your facts before you attempt to throw mud at the DPP.
Nice to read your comment.
I have also read that same piece of BS, as you call it, and reply it by writing "Now, DPP has regretted and is trying to terminate the wrong project, if KMT insists to go on, my conclusion will be ' KMT is stupid, stubborn and much, much worse than DPP.'"
At this moment, my new conclusion is ' KMT is stupid, stubborn, evil and much, much, much worse than DPP.'
However, If I were you, I would have responded to that piece of 'BS' more softly. Maybe the author of it thought it was Chen Shui-bian who had started the project of Nuke 4 but did not know that Chen had called for halt later. I would assume that everybody who is discussing on this topic is also concerned about the future of Taiwan and will join the majority of Taiwanese to terminate Nuke 4 if only the truth and facts are revealed. After all, everyone in Formosa shall share the same fate, whether happiness or tragedy.
May 3, 2014    ntcmtlpeterlee@
Dwang058@ wrote:
To the 13,000 well intentioned but misguided protesters, let's look at the alternatives: Are you in favor of adding co2 emissions with more coal or gas power plants to make up for the shortfall? Yes, burning natural gas still emits global warming pollutants. Do you actually believe solar and wind are reliable sources of energy? What happens at night, on cloudy days, windless environment? You do understand electricity generated cannot be stored, I.e. Using sunny day surplus to power your a/c at night.

According to a wsj article, Taiwan will face blanket 40% increase in electricity bills come 2018 when the first of three nuclear facilities is decommissioned. The same article also cites potentially debilitating power outages.

Is it really necessary to politicize this issue? Have you considered the sacrifices that this country and its citizens will endure when our economic competitiveness tanks due to higher energy costs? If you have, and are fine with the dystopian future, then be open about that and take responsibility for lowering everyone's standard of living.
I am an electrical engineer living in Canada. I still keep my Taiwanese citizenship. Most of my relatives including my mom, brothers, sister, cousins and their respective families are living in Taiwan as citizens. Now I will show you more facts about electrical power.
1. D.C. (Direct Current) energy can be stored in D.C. Storage Battery and later be converted via Inverter to A. C. (Alternate Current) energy. The battery of 12 Volts D.C. in the engine compartment of your car is an example, and the UPS(Un-interrupted Power Supply) of a computer system is another example. Battery system of much bigger capacity which can last 8-12 hours without re-charging are always used for telephone exchange and it is the reason why the telephone service would not be interrupted during power outage.
2. Solar energy, wind energy and sea tide energy can all be converted into electrical energy and stored in D.C. Batteries thru appropriate devices and apparatus.
3. Electrical energy stored in D.C. battery systems can always be converted into A.C. thru Inverters.
4. In North American, namely, the United States and Canada, A considerable number of individuals, families, institutes have set up their own small electrical power plants, mostly from solar energy with a small fraction from wind energy because wind apparatus are noisy and must be installed at higher locations like hill tops. Small personal or private electrical power plants are much more popular in the States than in Canada, because some power companies in the States will refund the subscribers whose private power plants generate more power than they can consume and thus contribute to the power supplied to other consumers by the power company. Sea tide energy so far has been used successfully in Israel because it is adjacent to Mediterranean Sea. Taiwan can learn a lot from Israel in this aspect.
5. My suggestion and recommendation for Government and civilians in Taiwan are as follows:
A. Install more wind apparatus, mostly by government, at all possible higher windy locations around the whole island.
B. Install more sea tide apparatus, mostly by government, at all possible/feasible locations along sea shore around Taiwan, Pong-hoo, King-men & Ma-cho.
C. Encourage civilians, corporations and enterprises to set up their own small-scale private solar power plants and give them refund in case their private plants can contribute to the total supply by Tai-Power.
D. Coordinate all the research institutes of electrical engineering in universities, the Energy & Mine Research Institute in Industrial Research Institution located in Shin-Chu and Tai-Power(just name a few) to support the implementation of the above-mentioned 3 action items A, B, & C and solve the technical issues as may be encountered in process of implementation.
This article is not intended for you only, but for the whole population in Taiwan. Please help publicize it to as many people as possible.
May 6, 2014    ilperty@
Hope this all works out.
May 6, 2014    sammday1@
lumixjc@ wrote:
TAIWAN IS AN EXPORT ORIENTED COUNTRY THAT RELIES HEAVILY ON EXPORT. THUS, TAIWAN NEEDS AMPLE SUPPLY OF ELECTRICITY TO RUN ITS FACTORIES.... WITH CONVENTIONAL POWER SOURCE, THIS IS NOT ENOUGH.ONLY THRU NUCLEAR PLANTS CAN TAIWAN ATTAIN ITS EXPORT GOAL TO KEEP ITS ECONOMY RUNNING... TAIWANESE ARE USED TO RUNNING EVERYTHING THRU ELECTRICITY AT LOW COSTS. THEY NEED MORE NUCLEAR PLANTS. I WONDER WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO TAIWAN IF THE ELECTRICAL CONSUMPTION WILL NOT BE ENOUGH.
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