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Ma reiterates int'l recognition of ROC sovereignty

TAIPEI, Taiwan -- President Ma Ying-jeou yesterday cited the Sino-Japanese Peace Treaty (中日和平條約) in saying that Taiwan is the rightful property of the Republic of China, and declared that related disputes should be ended.

Ma welcomed the attendees of the international forum which marked 70 years since the signing of the Cairo Declaration, including the granddaughter of the late UK Prime Minister Sir Winston Churchill, Emma Mary Soames.

Aside from pronouncing that the Cairo Declaration is internationally legitimate even to this day, Ma said that “Taiwan undoubtedly belongs to the R.O.C.,” in response to many public voices claiming that the ownership of “Taiwan” is unclear and up for debate.

Nov. 30 marked the 70th anniversary of the signing of the Cairo Declaration, a declaration made by U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt, Republic of China Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek, and UK Prime Minister Sir Winston Churchill at a summit in Cairo, Egypt toward the latter part of World War II. The declaration bears a special significance for Taiwan, as it marked the first time the Republic of China, in officially requesting the return of its occupied territories from Japan, was presented as one of the four great powers of the world. The meeting also marked the first and only summit of 14 held during WWII at which Chiang was in attendance.

The declaration was announced on Dec. 1, 1943, with the Potsdam Declaration or the Proclamation Defining Terms for Japanese Surrender signed by the Allies the next year, said Ma. “According to the Potsdam Declaration, the agreements in the Cairo Declaration are to be carried out.”

“Also, Japan clearly stated in the Japanese Instrument of Surrender that it agrees to the Potsdam Agreement. The Cairo Declaration, Potsdam Declaration and the Japanese Instrument of Surrender are the same thing; they have been integrated into one. U.S. President Harry Truman reiterated the contents of the three documents once more in 1950, and stressed that the countries have all agreed that R.O.C. is the sovereign power ruling the island of Taiwan,” said Ma.

Many activists in Taiwan have argued that Taiwan's status as a country is still unsettled, as the Peace Treaty of San Francisco signed between the Allies and Japan in 1951 did not specify to whom Japan surrendered Taiwan to. The treaty was signed to end World War II. Ma explained that no Chinese representative had been invited to sign the treaty in San Francisco as the Chinese civil war was still ongoing at that time.

According to Ma, the Second Sino-Japanese War is the most important historical event for the Chinese people. Victory was achieved through unity among the people as well as with help from allies, which was why the summit and the Cairo Declaration marked a monumental milestone in the history of the Republic of China. It not only celebrated China's victory with the aids of allies, it also determined the Republic of China's status in the world through the reclamation of Japanese colonies.

“I think that the disputes about Taiwan's legal status should be ended,” Ma concluded.

December 11, 2013    aminegy@
And our capital is in Nanjing? What kind of this nonsense!!! We Taiwan is an independent country. We Taiwanese don't want to become Chinese. Does the international community hear that?
One day Taiwanese will not tolerate the "parasitic ROC government-in-exile" anymore. GET OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 11, 2013    taiwanindependencenow@
We are not chinks!!! The KMT has been contaminating our beloved Formosa with [...] chink [...] since 1945. One day we liquidate [...] and chinks from the face of Taiwan!
December 12, 2013    ludahai_twn@
San Francisco, which the KMT ignores, rendered Taiwan terra derelicta as Japan renounced sovereignty but did so without transferring sovereignty to another state. By the time the Treaty of Taipei was ratified (which itself did not have a sovereignty transfer clause), Japan had already renounced sovereignty and no longer had any standing to designate or transfer sovereignty to another state.
December 12, 2013    superkinez@
aminegy@ wrote:
And our capital is in Nanjing? What kind of this nonsense!!! We Taiwan is an independent country. We Taiwanese don't want to become Chinese. Does the international community hear that?
One day Taiwanese will not tolerate the "parasitic ROC government-in-exile" anymore. GET OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All of our ancestors came from Mainland China. How is it that we are not Chinese? So-called Taiwanese language is a dialect of Fujian Province. As I said before, Taiwan's future is either the ROC or the PRC. If you hate the ROC so much, then you must prefer the PRC? I can tell you, "Republic of Taiwan" will never happen. Dream on.
December 12, 2013    superkinez@
taiwanindependencenow@ wrote:
We are not chinks!!! The KMT has been contaminating our beloved Formosa with [...] chink [...] since 1945. One day we liquidate [...] and chinks from the face of Taiwan!
If you are not a "chink," then your ancestors who came from Fujian were certainly "chinks." Therefore, you are a CHINK! Just ask any westerner or Japanese if you are one of them.
December 12, 2013    superkinez@
ludahai_twn@ wrote:
San Francisco, which the KMT ignores, rendered Taiwan terra derelicta as Japan renounced sovereignty but did so without transferring sovereignty to another state. By the time the Treaty of Taipei was ratified (which itself did not have a sovereignty transfer clause), Japan had already renounced sovereignty and no longer had any standing to designate or transfer sovereignty to another state.
Your reasoning is so clever, the ROC and KMT will just shut down tomorrow morning. Dream on! If you don't want to live in the ROC, then your next choice is the PRC. I can tell you that there are enough people with power on both sides of the Taiwan Strait that will make sure your dream doesn't happen.
December 12, 2013    wangjexi@
ludahai_twn@ wrote:
San Francisco, which the KMT ignores, rendered Taiwan terra derelicta as Japan renounced sovereignty but did so without transferring sovereignty to another state. By the time the Treaty of Taipei was ratified (which itself did not have a sovereignty transfer clause), Japan had already renounced sovereignty and no longer had any standing to designate or transfer sovereignty to another state.
Who had sovereignty over Taiwan before Japan? When Japan withdrew its forces from Taiwan in 1945, who established control of there?

When Japan lost the war all of the territory they gained was returned. Why would Taiwan be an exception?

These clever intellectual exercises regarding when treaties were signed, and when sovereignty was exchanged may be fun, but they have no bearing on the reality of the situation. The only reason that Taiwan is independent of mainland China is because of the ROC government.
December 12, 2013    wangjexi@
aminegy@ wrote:
And our capital is in Nanjing? What kind of this nonsense!!! We Taiwan is an independent country. We Taiwanese don't want to become Chinese. Does the international community hear that?
One day Taiwanese will not tolerate the "parasitic ROC government-in-exile" anymore. GET OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Very few countries recognize the Republic of China today. How many do you think would recognize a Republic of Taiwan?

What do you think would happen if Taiwan declared independence? That would lead to a war with China. A war that Taiwan would not win. Who would come to Taiwan's defense? I doubt anyone would. The world would condemn China, and some countries might impose trade sanctions. But in 10 years time it would be business as usual. Just as what happened with the Tiananmen massacre. The action that you support would lead to the destruction of Taiwan. The only way that Taiwan will remain independent is by keeping the ROC government and by improving relations with mainland China just as President Ma is doing now.

Also, what would happen to the good people of Kinmen and Matsu who wouldn't be included in a Republic of Taiwan, and also don't want to be ruled by Communists?
December 13, 2013    curtisakbar@
@superkinez

Totally agree, I find it very strange that "Chinese" people in Taiwan will use the term "chink" as an insult and wanting to get rid of them. The claim that Chinese have only come to the island of Taiwan since 1945 shows the lack of history some people have. What about the 1620s when the Dutch and Spanish imported thousands of Chinese laborers? Or during the Ching dynasty when a mass migration occurred?

Everyone in Taiwan are foreigners except the Aboriginals. Just accept it and move on and become more tolerant.
December 14, 2013    andykcwong@
Why so some people in Taiwan hate CHIANG Kai Shek?
Because they did not know how the outside World of that era was. If they look clearly enough about the life in Mainland China & USSR in those years, they will say: Thanks CHIANG Kai Shek for saving my life & providing a better future.
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December 19, 2013    leejh27@
Intellectual exercises on what treaties count and don't count for this reason and that reason, is precisely what the green camp is about. They just keep reasoning everything until they can say "It belongs to us, and the KMT can get out and leave their gold and other resources here for us so-called real Taiwanese".

The so-called Taiwan Independence movement is really just to supplant the ROC on Taiwan movement. It has nothing to do with keeping the PRC out of Taiwan and only uses that position to look like the good guys.
March 16, 2014    whyshouldicare@
aminegy@ wrote:
And our capital is in Nanjing? What kind of this nonsense!!! We Taiwan is an independent country. We Taiwanese don't want to become Chinese. Does the international community hear that?
One day Taiwanese will not tolerate the "parasitic ROC government-in-exile" anymore. GET OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry, you're a chink. Face it, the only difference is there's somehow some democracies shown in "Taiwan", but other than that, no, languages same, culture same etc. etc.
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