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Strict gun control to stay

TAIPEI, Taiwan -- The government has decided to maintain the present tight gun control despite a call for liberalizing the regulations on owning lethal weapons to help people defend themselves.

Legislator Yu Tien of the opposition Democratic Progressive Party urged the government yesterday to follow the U.S. practice of easing the rules to allow law-abiding citizens to own handguns to protect themselves.

Yu said that gun smuggling is "quite common" in Taiwan, which he said not only enables gangsters and the wealthy to buy guns easily but also boosts the price of illegal firearms on the black market.

Possession of firearms by the general public would be a great deterrence against mob activities, he claimed.

In response, Minister of the Interior Jiang Yi-huah said the government will not consider legalizing gun ownership by the country's citizens.

Jiang said the disadvantages of allowing private gun ownership far outweigh the benefits and that the ministry may only consider allowing guards at security firms to carry firearms because of the special nature of their jobs.

National Police Agency (NPA) Director-General Wang Cho-chiun pointed out that social order in Taiwan is not so bad that people need guns to protect themselves.

Meanwhile, Yeh Yu-lan, an associate professor at Central Police University, expressed opposition to allowing legal ownership of firearms by citizens, including security guards.

Although there are still debates over whether the citizens should be allowed to bear arms for self defense, there are nonetheless more than 5,000 legally privately owned handguns in the country, according to statistics released by the NPA.

Of the total number of privately-owned guns, 1,000 are for self-defense and 4,000 are used by aboriginal people for hunting purposes, according to the agency.

But the number of privately-owned guns has been decreasing year on year because of strict domestic regulations on private ownership of firearms, an agency official added.

The Statute for Management of Self-Defense Firearms was originally enacted as many people brought guns with them when they moved to Taiwan from mainland China along with the Kuomintang government at the end of the World War II after losing the Chinese civil war to the Communists.

Under the statute, people who own private arms are required to receive a regular inspection every two years as well as random inspections anytime by the police.

In most cases, the old guns or rifles held 60 years ago are now allowed to be replaced with new ones without requiring any valid reasons. This causes a natural attrition of such guns held in private hands.

Concerning a proposal of allowing guards at security firms to carry firearms to protect themselves and their cash-delivery vans, executives at leading security firms expressed reservations over the suggestion.

They said it will become a greater management challenge to ensure that the guards can use the firearms responsibly.

Holding lethal weapons can actually generate greater risks for the guards because armed criminals are tempted to put the guards to death in robbery or other lawless attempts, they said.

They noted that more weapons held by security guards will also expose them to severe risks of being robbed by outlaws who want to snatch the guns and sell them on black market for immediate profits.

Professor Yeh at the police university also opposed easing the rules for security guards.

She pointed out there are presently strict criteria for qualified people who can legally possess and use the weapons.

But easing the rules will make many guards disqualified for the security job and make the unemployment problems in Taiwan even worse, she said.

October 23, 2009    wackerbeer13@
Allowing the public to carry guns to protect themselves would turn this country into 'the wild west or rather, wild east'. It would be like asking turkey's to vote for Christmas to follow the American's on this one. Thank goodness the majority in government had the sense and the guts to kick this ludicrous idea into touch.
October 25, 2009    sundog50@
Wrong, wackerbeer13!

Allowing law-abiding citizens to exercise their right to self defense with the most effective means would not promote crime at all, it would inhibit it. Look to the 35 U.S. states where "shall issue" CCW is the law. They have very few problems with CCW licensees misusing firearms. In fact, CCW licensees have fewer arrests than serving police. I hope that one day Taiwan will allow its citizens the freedom to bear arms.
October 26, 2009    pro-criminal gun control@
Public servants should also stop carrying guns. As can be seen in the picture in the article, the police are obviously outgunned by organized criminals. The article correctly points out that the criminals will merely kill police to take their guns, after all, police patrol known routes by themselves. This also endangers the public in the process of allowing high quality (not junk guns) available on the streets.
October 27, 2009    gun_ban@
DPP Yu Tien might have gone crazy. Gun is hot even in the possession of the law abiding citizens. Look at America. Even youngster use gun to kill their fellow students in the university campus. GUN BAN is the only way to fight against CRIME.
June 19, 2010    right to protect self@
Each human being born on the earth has the right to protect themselves. Unfortunately, governments which think they can do a better job at protecting me than I can, have taken this right from me.
It's easy to point at the sensationalized media reports of gun deaths, but which media organization will do a 'breaking report' about "Thief changes plan due to owner's drawn gun"?
June 24, 2010    carltanong@
Gun Ban and Capital punishment should stay. DPP Yu Tien was unfit to be a legislator. Only the Rules of Law can protect the law abiding citizens not gun.
-Can the law abiding citizens know when the criminal will strike at their back?
-Will the criminals give prior notice or warning that he is going to abuse and kill you?
Only the Rules of Law and Death Penalty can give guarantee to all law abiding citizens against criminals.
An advice to Yu Tien:
Gun is hot and wild. Even the Law Abiding citizens can use the gun to kill another Law Abiding Citizens under the influence of rages, grudges, distress or ALCOHOL.
June 28, 2010    feddoc168@
Bad guys will always find a way to get guns. If Taiwanese people think that strict gun bans will make it difficult for bad guys to get guns, you are delusional.

The question you need to ask yourself is whether or not you trust your "good guys" with guns.

Gun ban proponents always make claims that more guns will turn a place into the "wild west," and "blood will flow in the streets." But that's simply not true. Here in the US, places with strictest gun laws also are some of the most dangerous places to live. Places where gun laws are relaxed and more common citizens have guns, crime rates seem to be lower.

Yes, there will always be sensational cases of mass shootings. Strict gun bans will not stop that.
September 29, 2010    matt.vaughan@
Taiwan's gun control laws and the reasoning behind them are silly. Taiwan and its citizens would be much safer if the citizens had the option to own and possess firearms. The government agencies that oppose private firearm ownership show a fundamental ignorance of firearms - or maybe they just want it to be easier to control and abuse the citizens of Taiwan by force. In the United States far more crime is prevented by citizens owning firearms. United States citizens that legally own firearms and are trained in the safe use of firearms are accountable for nearly 0% (Zero) of firearm involved crimes. It's time that gun fearing liberals and tyrants are ignored because their thoughts are based on ignorance or possibly on sinister motives.
September 29, 2010    matt.vaughan@
gun_ban@ wrote:
DPP Yu Tien might have gone crazy. Gun is hot even in the possession of the law abiding citizens. Look at America. Even youngster use gun to kill their fellow students in the university campus. GUN BAN is the only way to fight against CRIME.
I'm an American. Your comment is based on pure ignorance.
October 5, 2010    elumpen@
For all you Americans here who think that putting a lethal weapon in the hands of people who can't even steer a scooter in a straight line, I have one word for you: Philippines. If you haven't been there, go, and observe.

The US hasn't dissolved in a bloodbath of social chaos BECAUSE it has gun controls. They're not very good controls, and way too many Americans are still killed by guns (usually their own). But at least it has them. The most recent research indicates that gun crimes are usually committed using weapons bought in those states with the most lax controls.
October 6, 2010    carltanong@
 
matt.vaughan@ wrote:
I'm an American. Your comment is based on pure ignorance.
If you Americans love guns then go with it. Hope the gun carried by the American won't shoot and kill fellow students in the school campus or anywhere else. Good luck.
April 11, 2011    thenazikid@
More Chinese propaganda BS.
April 13, 2011    CURTISAKBAR@
You don't need a fatal weapon to protect yourself! All you gun loving Americans should realize gun access makes crime easier to commit. Instead of having a fight in school, kids will kill each other. I'm all for the legal use of large hunting rifles that can't be hidden, but handguns are easy to conceal making them the perfect tool for crime. Try to sneak a Huntington rifle onto the MRT, pretty impossible, but Glocks pretty simple. In Britain we banned guns in the early 90s due to school shootings, how many Columbines do you Americans want before you stop being pig-headed and saying 'Guns don't kill, people do'. As for all the B.S 1% of gun crime is committed by people who legally own guns. There is still that 99% of crime committed by people who don't. Pepper spray, tasers and other forms of non-fatal weapons are the best defense. You try to attack me when you got a face full of pepper spray. Guns should remain for law enforcement but considering the incompetence of Taiwanese police... maybe not for them either.
September 18, 2011    macfanofgi@
CURTISAKBAR@ wrote:
You don't need a fatal weapon to protect yourself! All you gun loving Americans should realize gun access makes crime easier to commit. Instead of having a fight in school, kids will kill each other. I'm all for the legal use of large hunting rifles that can't be hidden, but handguns are easy to conceal making them the perfect tool for crime. Try to sneak a Huntington rifle onto the MRT, pretty impossible, but Glocks pretty simple. In Britain we banned guns in the early 90s due to school shootings, how many Columbines do you Americans want before you stop being pig-headed and saying 'Guns don't kill, people do'. As for all the B.S 1% of gun crime is committed by people who legally own guns. There is still that 99% of crime committed by people who don't. Pepper spray, tasers and other forms of non-fatal weapons are the best defense. You try to attack me when you got a face full of pepper spray. Guns should remain for law enforcement but considering the incompetence of Taiwanese police... maybe not for them either.
Without a person behind it, a gun will never do anything. Ever. It'll just sit there and gather dust until someone picks it up. Bottom line: I believe people should have the right to bear arms in Taiwan. If for no other reason, China would not want to mess with millions upon millions of armed Taiwanese citizens. Kind of like they wouldn't mess with millions of armed American citizens (like me).
September 19, 2011    conorwhite@
It’s debatable which way works better....

However like anything, it's never a good idea to adapt a more radical wide sweeping change, since you cannot predict the outcome. This is the same debate as for drugs or other hot button issues

This means in the US you suddenly don't impose strict gun control and in other countries that have tight gun control you don't just relax it

Think about these scenarios:

Burglar is going to break into your house.
If the gun laws are tightened the burglar may believe that the owner cannot put up a resistance, so may try to break into more homes.
Conversely though the burglar may not be expecting a gun fight, so may not come in with guns drawn or read to use.

If the gun laws are tightened, then you reverse the above scenarios.

So there are different possible outcomes... but I cannot predict what these are.
September 19, 2011    lars118@
To all the ex-pat Americans commenting here: If you love your guns so much, go back to the USA and you can carry them all day long. Why try to influence this society with your gun culture values? The rate of violent crime is much lower in Taiwan than the USA. Let's keep it that way.
September 19, 2011    conorwhite@
matt.vaughan@ wrote:
Taiwan's gun control laws and the reasoning behind them are silly. Taiwan and its citizens would be much safer if the citizens had the option to own and possess firearms. The government agencies that oppose private firearm ownership show a fundamental ignorance of firearms - or maybe they just want it to be easier to control and abuse the citizens of Taiwan by force. In the United States far more crime is prevented by citizens owning firearms. United States citizens that legally own firearms and are trained in the safe use of firearms are accountable for nearly 0% (Zero) of firearm involved crimes. It's time that gun fearing liberals and tyrants are ignored because their thoughts are based on ignorance or possibly on sinister motives.
I guess you have necessary data from studies to support these conclusions regarding prevention of crime and 0% (ZERO)?
September 20, 2011    carltanong@
Gun ban should stay, just like death penalty for criminals.

_Guns are not an effective form of self-defense, it can lead to increases in the rates of rape, robbery, and violent crime.
_Guns increase the chances of a confrontation escalating and turning lethal.
_Guns increase the likelihood of unintended shootings taking place, making it more difficult for LAW ENFORCERS to distinguish criminals from ordinary citizens and to identify perpetrators during a shooting.
_Guns intimidate LAW ABIDING citizens.

Let the LAW ENFORCERS do their job, that is what the tax payers paid them to safeguard their lives.

Let those judges return back to restudy what is the true meaning of LAW, and distinguish between CRIMINALS and LAW ABIDING CITIZENS.

And lastly. LET the HRO be fair enough to give justice to the law abiding citizens’ victim rather than to save the lives of the criminal the right to lives as a HUMAN BUTCHERS.
September 20, 2011    corexdee@
elumpen@ wrote:
For all you Americans here who think that putting a lethal weapon in the hands of people who can't even steer a scooter in a straight line, I have one word for you: Philippines. If you haven't been there, go, and observe.

The US hasn't dissolved in a bloodbath of social chaos BECAUSE it has gun controls. They're not very good controls, and way too many Americans are still killed by guns (usually their own). But at least it has them. The most recent research indicates that gun crimes are usually committed using weapons bought in those states with the most lax controls.
In the Philippines, there are lots of guns. There are paltiks (self manufactured guns), 9 mm. 45 caliber etc. If you’re driving a car and you happened to cut off someone with a gun, or in a one way street and you didn't give way, or if you just stare at them in a wrong way. Bang!! Just what happened to a student. They'll follow you or just shoot you on the spot. Here in Taiwan, I see lots of people quarreling over petty things over traffic, or politics. Put some firearms on it and it will be disastrous. Just let the Taiwanese quarrel using mouth and fist, that way they won't hurt other people. It's ok if they shot at somebody and won't miss but a lot of them are near sighted. There will be lots of innocent casualty with this...hahha.....
September 20, 2011    corexdee@
News flash from the Philippines ...
Last Wednesday, September 14, Shiela Macapugay shot and killed her husband, Abel, who worked as a promo merchandiser in an appliance store in SM North Edsa after he left her and their five-year-old daughter for another woman.

Warning to those philandering husband in Taiwan...LOL.....
September 20, 2011    johnny.brian@
Some politicians like Yu Tien have nothing to do because of his low IQ said that Taiwan should be like the US. Why there is need of handgun to protect themselves? Because Yu Tien is a former singer that has gangsters protection on his back. Is this the best Yu Tien can think of? Well, let me tell him. Instead of local residents owning more guns, he should suggest to put more policemen into the street and more surveillance patrols would definitely reduce crime rate. Strict control of gun is better than owning a handgun to protect themselves.
September 25, 2011    olichu@
I agree with Johnny.brian. Police in this country is useless! They sit on their asses all day long except to get up and have a smoke. The government seriously needs to review the role and purpose of the police in this country.
September 26, 2011    durani.aamir@
lars118@ wrote:
To all the ex-pat Americans commenting here: If you love your guns so much, go back to the USA and you can carry them all day long. Why try to influence this society with your gun culture values? The rate of violent crime is much lower in Taiwan than the USA. Let's keep it that way.
.......Why try to influence this society with your gun culture values? ...

Valid point. I agree with you.
September 27, 2011    blairjames@
CURTISAKBAR@ wrote:
You don't need a fatal weapon to protect yourself! All you gun loving Americans should realize gun access makes crime easier to commit. Instead of having a fight in school, kids will kill each other. I'm all for the legal use of large hunting rifles that can't be hidden, but handguns are easy to conceal making them the perfect tool for crime. Try to sneak a Huntington rifle onto the MRT, pretty impossible, but Glocks pretty simple. In Britain we banned guns in the early 90s due to school shootings, how many Columbines do you Americans want before you stop being pig-headed and saying 'Guns don't kill, people do'. As for all the B.S 1% of gun crime is committed by people who legally own guns. There is still that 99% of crime committed by people who don't. Pepper spray, tasers and other forms of non-fatal weapons are the best defense. You try to attack me when you got a face full of pepper spray. Guns should remain for law enforcement but considering the incompetence of Taiwanese police... maybe not for them either.
I agree. Authorities are having difficulty keeping handguns out of the wrong hands now, how could they possibly ensure getting them into the right hands if handguns were allowed.

BTW American whiners, you weren't born with a gun in your hands, it is therefore NOT your God-given right to own one. To call others "ignorant" in giving their opinions on their own country's laws take arrogance to a new extreme.
October 10, 2011    cloggedwithguts@
I wonder what's up with Yu Tian. Does he have a screw loose or something? Typical for a DPP member, they wanted to emulate their neoconservative, right-wing redneck buddies in Alabama and Mississippi. Hence they are gun advocates!
October 11, 2011    edrulyn@
Yu Tian has a cockroach mentality typical among most DPP politicians. They are talking without thinking. Maybe because he was a gangster.
October 12, 2011    sbenchung@
The US homicide rate, which has declined substantially since 1991 from a rate per 100,000 persons of 9.8 to 4.8 in 2010, is still among the highest in the industrialized world. There were 14,748 murders in the United States in 2010

October 18, 2011    markroc@
sundog50@ wrote:
Wrong, wackerbeer13!

Allowing law-abiding citizens to exercise their right to self defense with the most effective means would not promote crime at all, it would inhibit it. Look to the 35 U.S. states where "shall issue" CCW is the law. They have very few problems with CCW licensees misusing firearms. In fact, CCW licensees have fewer arrests than serving police. I hope that one day Taiwan will allow its citizens the freedom to bear arms.
There are not many places in Taiwan that we would fear for our safety, yet we don't have access to guns.
However, 30,000 deaths a year in the USA as a result of guns. HUM??
And you want to arm a nation of peaceful people because you feel the sadistic violent ways of the USA is the way to run a nation.
Sick people who want to arm people are all over the place. I just wish you weren't in Taiwan trying to push you pro-gun nonsense on the naive people of this safe nation.
October 18, 2011    markroc@
feddoc168@ wrote:
Bad guys will always find a way to get guns. If Taiwanese people think that strict gun bans will make it difficult for bad guys to get guns, you are delusional.

The question you need to ask yourself is whether or not you trust your "good guys" with guns.

Gun ban proponents always make claims that more guns will turn a place into the "wild west," and "blood will flow in the streets." But that's simply not true. Here in the US, places with strictest gun laws also are some of the most dangerous places to live. Places where gun laws are relaxed and more common citizens have guns, crime rates seem to be lower.

Yes, there will always be sensational cases of mass shootings. Strict gun bans will not stop that.
Oh, but we don't have mass shootings!!! So, what is your point? You wanna make it legal to have a gun in order to????
Protect ourselves from others who don't have a gun? Let them fight it out with their fist.
Keep the Gun Ban in Place.
October 18, 2011    markroc@
feddoc168@ wrote:
Bad guys will always find a way to get guns. If Taiwanese people think that strict gun bans will make it difficult for bad guys to get guns, you are delusional.

The question you need to ask yourself is whether or not you trust your "good guys" with guns.

Gun ban proponents always make claims that more guns will turn a place into the "wild west," and "blood will flow in the streets." But that's simply not true. Here in the US, places with strictest gun laws also are some of the most dangerous places to live. Places where gun laws are relaxed and more common citizens have guns, crime rates seem to be lower.

Yes, there will always be sensational cases of mass shootings. Strict gun bans will not stop that.
8 people gunned down on Seal Beach is sensationalizing????

sick people
October 18, 2011    markroc@
matt.vaughan@ wrote:
Taiwan's gun control laws and the reasoning behind them are silly. Taiwan and its citizens would be much safer if the citizens had the option to own and possess firearms. The government agencies that oppose private firearm ownership show a fundamental ignorance of firearms - or maybe they just want it to be easier to control and abuse the citizens of Taiwan by force. In the United States far more crime is prevented by citizens owning firearms. United States citizens that legally own firearms and are trained in the safe use of firearms are accountable for nearly 0% (Zero) of firearm involved crimes. It's time that gun fearing liberals and tyrants are ignored because their thoughts are based on ignorance or possibly on sinister motives.
30000 gun deaths and 0%.

In the USA, far more crimes are attempted and committed in the USA than any other weapon.
Is that a pretty accurate summation of 0% involved in crimes?
The USA, one day, there is gonna be a bloodbath because of so many guns.
October 18, 2011    markroc@
olichu@ wrote:
I agree with Johnny.brian. Police in this country is useless! They sit on their asses all day long except to get up and have a smoke. The government seriously needs to review the role and purpose of the police in this country.
Yes let's give them some tasers and pepper spray and they can go harass the common citizen just like the professional cops do in the USA.
If they are doing such a bad job, why is it possible for us to walk down the street at any time of the day or night and not feel threatened of at risk?

I like the police in Taiwan. It does seem like this society is so much safer that our police-active aggressive, bullies that we have in the USA.
November 23, 2011    blackraven20@
How sad, no rights for citizens to own firearms in Taiwan. I guess the Chinese military will have a lot less to worry about when they invade Taiwan in the not too distant future then.
November 23, 2011    dpp4sale@
Let the candidates shoot each other and decide the winner, this will save us time and money for the election....
November 23, 2011    miller.henry641@
There are a lot of myths, false information and outright propaganda being tossed about on this thread.

Using the U.S.A. as a control on this topic is flawed from the beginning. The RIGHT to keep and bear arms in embedded in the U.S. Constitution.

For a view of FACTS about U.S. citizens and the results of 49, of the 50 states, recognizing the CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT for carry of personal firearms I recommend reading this site:

www.http://gunfacts.info/

As to personal firearms possession, concealed or open carry here on Taiwan - NO FREAKIN WAY do I want to see that happen.

It takes a level of maturity and personal responsibility to safely do this.

The general populace of Taiwan is decades, if not centuries, away from reaching that level.
November 23, 2011    major_bob1@
I realize this is an old story, but must say the ignorance on display here is astounding. Especially in regard to gun violence in the US.

By the way, the function of a police force is to apprehend a criminal after a crime has been committed. It is the individual's responsibility to protect himself.
November 24, 2011    smith@
How differently would Taiwanese history be in regards to the 227 purge and the White Terror if the common people had access to firearms?

The logic of the government seems to be "we can't stop illegal firearms, so we will stop legal access to firearms"..???. Apparently someone willing to register a gun legally and notify the government that they have a gun is too unstable and unreliable to own a firearm.

Short memories make for bloody history.
April 10, 2012    dvd_snd@
corexdee@ wrote:
News flash from the Philippines ...
Last Wednesday, September 14, Shiela Macapugay shot and killed her husband, Abel, who worked as a promo merchandiser in an appliance store in SM North Edsa after he left her and their five-year-old daughter for another woman.

Warning to those philandering husband in Taiwan...LOL.....
Look, do you really believe that if most Taiwanese own a gun they would be totally irresponsible? If you had a gun would you then go and shoot people just because you could? If this is how people there act, then they should never own guns. Or knives. Just too irresponsible. But if they have the common sense to be responsible then why not? I own guns, hand and rifles. Never had a problem. Nor any of my friends. Are we more responsible that you?
April 11, 2012    dvd_snd@
cloggedwithguts@ wrote:
I wonder what's up with Yu Tian. Does he have a screw loose or something? Typical for a DPP member, they wanted to emulate their neoconservative, right-wing redneck buddies in Alabama and Mississippi. Hence they are gun advocates!
Name calling is not justified, If you were called ignorant because of your values then that's just wrong. But you need to understand that we do have a Constitutional Right to own and carry guns. It's a part of our society and most gun owners, like me, are very responsible. I would bet that if you own a gun you would be just as responsible.
April 16, 2012    marqua_66@
matt.vaughan@ wrote:
Taiwan's gun control laws and the reasoning behind them are silly. Taiwan and its citizens would be much safer if the citizens had the option to own and possess firearms. The government agencies that oppose private firearm ownership show a fundamental ignorance of firearms - or maybe they just want it to be easier to control and abuse the citizens of Taiwan by force. In the United States far more crime is prevented by citizens owning firearms. United States citizens that legally own firearms and are trained in the safe use of firearms are accountable for nearly 0% (Zero) of firearm involved crimes. It's time that gun fearing liberals and tyrants are ignored because their thoughts are based on ignorance or possibly on sinister motives.
"Could you please show us where we can find verification that the which states with the strictest gun laws are the most dangerous." I can't seem to find any source to verify your claim!
April 22, 2012    JohnGalt@
Here's a list of countries that were disarmed by their governments. The right to bear arms greatly depends on the morality of it's people.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to
1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1935, China established gun control. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1938, Germany established gun control. From 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1956, Cambodia established gun control. From 1975 to

1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1964, Guatemala established gun control. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1970, Uganda established gun control. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
October 18, 2012    Mattkorrigan@
major_bob1@ wrote:
I realize this is an old story, but must say the ignorance on display here is astounding. Especially in regard to gun violence in the US.

By the way, the function of a police force is to apprehend a criminal after a crime has been committed. It is the individual's responsibility to protect himself.
This is total BS, I live in Canada and we see each day shootings committed in the US! Innocent people die from redneck who is scared for his front yard. It's ridiculous, anyone can take his pistol and open fire at someone wondering in their backyard or front door. The amount of handguns and automatic riffles in the USA is astonishing. I hope Taiwan will keep their laws still, you guys have honest and polite people who can enjoy freedom and not being scared to walk on someone’s property and being shot. Look at your parks, I am shocked to see people with kids playing after 9pm which almost never would happen in the US because you would be scared walk out in major cities due to drug and gang related shootings. Keep it peaceful Taiwan. I feel safer here then in any North American city after 6pm. Enjoy your freedom!!!
December 23, 2012    craigh555@
Taiwan is on the top 10 list of safest nations.
Every single nation on that list, no exception, has tough gun ownership laws.
The US is not on that list.
The US is on the top 10 list for gun murders.
The US is the only 1st world nation on that list.
Guns are designed and made for one thing...to kill, they are not the great protectors of the people, they are the great killers of the people.
March 4, 2013    bchenk@
lars118@ wrote:
To all the ex-pat Americans commenting here: If you love your guns so much, go back to the USA and you can carry them all day long. Why try to influence this society with your gun culture values? The rate of violent crime is much lower in Taiwan than the USA. Let's keep it that way.
Care to back that statement up with some numbers? The last time I checked, the homicide rate per cap. is about the same when comparing to Taiwan to US for the past ten years. I was born in Taiwan and I remember the weapon of choice for crime is usually a long fruit knife.
March 25, 2013    lrdlrd12000@
I believe the more stupid people are in a country they should not have guns. They don't have the smarts to have guns. Look at Mexico. If you gave these people guns half the people would kill the other half. Look at Africa, there is guns everywhere and they kill each other over simple traffic accident. China doesn’t need guns. 3 people out of a hundred have guns. The Chinese government kills there criminals so the people don't have to shoot them. If Taiwan’s people had guns they would kill each other over traffic accidents too. It has to do with respect for god and life and that is what Christians do but America is falling away from god and also has to do with people needing space. If you do not practice great manners and people are rude, no manners are like too many rats in a cage. They start eating each other. There is a lot of issues in owning a gun. You have to have higher moral standard for yourself with god because there is a higher responsibility to own a gun.
August 30, 2013    quentincumbers@
CURTISAKBAR@ wrote:
You don't need a fatal weapon to protect yourself! All you gun loving Americans should realize gun access makes crime easier to commit. Instead of having a fight in school, kids will kill each other. I'm all for the legal use of large hunting rifles that can't be hidden, but handguns are easy to conceal making them the perfect tool for crime. Try to sneak a Huntington rifle onto the MRT, pretty impossible, but Glocks pretty simple. In Britain we banned guns in the early 90s due to school shootings, how many Columbines do you Americans want before you stop being pig-headed and saying 'Guns don't kill, people do'. As for all the B.S 1% of gun crime is committed by people who legally own guns. There is still that 99% of crime committed by people who don't. Pepper spray, tasers and other forms of non-fatal weapons are the best defense. You try to attack me when you got a face full of pepper spray. Guns should remain for law enforcement but considering the incompetence of Taiwanese police... maybe not for them either.
The United Kingdom is the best example of the failure of gun control legislation. A disarmed population at the mercy of criminals. This Brit prefers to live in Taiwan, and would prefer to live in a Taiwan with the right to self-defense.
January 12, 2014    tonywilliam.z17@
craigh555@ wrote:
Taiwan is on the top 10 list of safest nations.
Every single nation on that list, no exception, has tough gun ownership laws.
The US is not on that list.
The US is on the top 10 list for gun murders.
The US is the only 1st world nation on that list.
Guns are designed and made for one thing...to kill, they are not the great protectors of the people, they are the great killers of the people.
No, Taiwan is NOT on the top 10 list of safest nations, it has an above average homicide rate. A homicide rate of a whopping 3.2! Taiwan's homicide rate is ABOVE THE EUROPEAN AVERAGE. That is to say Taiwan has far more murder than most other 1st world countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

That right there is higher than many countries with widespread gun ownership such as Canada, and Switzerland.

Switzerland is arguably the safest country in the world despite possessing very lax gun laws. Gun ownership is widespread in Switzerland.

Furthermore the US isn't even in the top 10 list for gun murders. You have NO idea what you're talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

The US is RANKED 14. Not even close to being in the top 10.

Your rampant misinformation and ignorance regarding this is hilarious. Taiwan is far from being safe, its murder rate is amongst one of the worst in the developed world.
October 5, 2015    madmotorman@
Legislator Yu is correct that an armed society deters criminals, but he forgot the other compelling reason to permit widespread firearms ownership in Taiwan: to deter invasion by Beijing's 'People's Liberation' Army. Indeed, EVERY Taiwanese man and woman should -- at the very least -- be issued a semi-automatic rifle & 1500 rounds of ammunition, and be trained to use them safely and correctly. Beijing will surely notice this and complain, but what are they going to do? Nothing, because Taiwan will then have a true militia.

Back in 1960, a Japanese admiral who was a WWII veteran said that despite the fact that the US fleet had been severely damaged by Imperial Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor, and that the state of readiness of US forces was known to be poor, Japan decided not to attack the US West coast. Why? The admiral said that Tokyo was aware that firearms ownership was widespread, and that the US government encouraged marksmanship. The admiral's closing sentence was, 'We were not fools to set foot in such quicksand.'

There is risk with everything, and the risk of an armed Taiwanese society is far less than the risk of the consequences of an invasion by the 'People's Liberation' Army, whose invasion is most likely a question of when -- not if.

You are fools to have an unarmed population while living next to a country with an aggressive, tyrannical government that puts the face of one of history's greatest mass killers on all of its banknotes.

An armed society deters criminals and murderous tyrants who would happily 'liberate' you from your lives -- and property too. Interior Minister Jiang's statement (though he meant well) that armed citizens are dangerous is also what the apparatchiks in Beijing would say. So, you can take the risk that misuse of firearms will cost a few lives, or you can gamble on the 'People's Liberation' Army not killing at least one or two million Taiwanese people (or more) when it invades -- say within the next 20 to 30 years. That will be quite a damper for the 'social order' that NPA Director-General Wang wishes to preserve.

Of course, if Taiwanese government officials are afraid of an armed citizenry, perhaps it's because those officials are in league (bribed, coerced, or simply being a traitor) with Beijing in the first place. Take your pick; make Taiwan a quicksand pit for Beijing's army, or keep the ground paved for it.

Armed self-defense is a human right.
December 14, 2015    ryulikia@
So, I currently live in the USA, but was residing in Taiwan last year (and will again in March of 2016). I am a CWP holder in the US (along with being a licensed security officer) In accordance with the Taiwanese law per their English website :
(http://www.moi.gov.tw/english/english_law/law_detail.aspx?sn=266)

it would appear that civilian gun ownership in Taiwan is legal...all be it regulated. Even this article says that there are 1000 handgun licenses (weapons for self defense). So are the preexisting licenses grandfathered in? Or can one actually receive a new permit? I for one would love to get my permanent ARC card and stay if I can own a pistol that I keep locked in the house, and take to the range occasionally. Any thoughts?
December 21, 2015    yitzchak.mrvic@
madmotorman@ wrote:
Legislator Yu is correct that an armed society deters criminals, but he forgot the other compelling reason to permit widespread firearms ownership in Taiwan: to deter invasion by Beijing's 'People's Liberation' Army. Indeed, EVERY Taiwanese man and woman should -- at the very least -- be issued a semi-automatic rifle & 1500 rounds of ammunition, and be trained to use them safely and correctly. Beijing will surely notice this and complain, but what are they going to do? Nothing, because Taiwan will then have a true militia.

Back in 1960, a Japanese admiral who was a WWII veteran said that despite the fact that the US fleet had been severely damaged by Imperial Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor, and that the state of readiness of US forces was known to be poor, Japan decided not to attack the US West coast. Why? The admiral said that Tokyo was aware that firearms ownership was widespread, and that the US government encouraged marksmanship. The admiral's closing sentence was, 'We were not fools to set foot in such quicksand.'

There is risk with everything, and the risk of an armed Taiwanese society is far less than the risk of the consequences of an invasion by the 'People's Liberation' Army, whose invasion is most likely a question of when -- not if.

You are fools to have an unarmed population while living next to a country with an aggressive, tyrannical government that puts the face of one of history's greatest mass killers on all of its banknotes.

An armed society deters criminals and murderous tyrants who would happily 'liberate' you from your lives -- and property too. Interior Minister Jiang's statement (though he meant well) that armed citizens are dangerous is also what the apparatchiks in Beijing would say. So, you can take the risk that misuse of firearms will cost a few lives, or you can gamble on the 'People's Liberation' Army not killing at least one or two million Taiwanese people (or more) when it invades -- say within the next 20 to 30 years. That will be quite a damper for the 'social order' that NPA Director-General Wang wishes to preserve.

Of course, if Taiwanese government officials are afraid of an armed citizenry, perhaps it's because those officials are in league (bribed, coerced, or simply being a traitor) with Beijing in the first place. Take your pick; make Taiwan a quicksand pit for Beijing's army, or keep the ground paved for it.

Armed self-defense is a human right.
The most intelligent assessment on the subject 100% on the mark. Swiss Army is the best example during WWII even Hitler did not DARE.. it was deemed to "expensive adventure" every house had some kind of surprise.. howitzer, cannon, Flack, Boffors, tanks, mined bridges, tunnels etc.. Swiss were not a farm ready for taking as was the case with the rest of the Europe.
December 22, 2015    Yitzchak.Mrvic@
People who surrender their PERSONAL FREEDOM TO CHOOSE - RESPONSIBILITY to their "government" in order to (feel) safe do NOT DESERVE neither the FREEDOM nor the SAFETY.. Thomas Jefferson. Taiwan ONLY choice to preserve its liberty is to be like SWISS as an organized self defense and foremost SELF RESPECTED SOCIETY that trust to its neighbor because all solutions are resolved by GOOD neighbors all good governance starts with good neighbors and TAIWANESE are the best in that.. You could teach the world about that so IMPLEMENT IT in your national defense as well to your personal defense. Swiss and Israeli citizens understand that very well.
December 23, 2015    RealityCheck@
After reading some of the comments here, I'm glad 90% of you morons cannot legally own a gun in Taiwan. I'm glad I live in a place with strict gun control laws. If you feel safer by carrying a gun in Taiwan, then you should check yourself into a mental hospital for paranoia and serious insecurity issues. Or you should surrender yourself to the police because most likely you're a stupid moron hanging out with other stupid criminals

There are threats, and then there are perceived threats. Most people can't differentiate between the two. Because most of you morons have trouble differentiating between the two, that's why society would be better off with strict gun control laws. That's why the world would be better off with strict weapons control.
December 31, 2015    richchen35@
just look at USA and Philippines (youtube it and google it) and see for yourself if legally owning a gun can be detrimental against threat from someone who has a gun.... if the one with the gun sneaks on you no matter how many guns you own you will still end up 6 feet under.... With the unruly drivers and short fuses Taiwanese have, I'm sure shooting in news will be common like having breakfast everyday............
January 1, 2016    heberer@
Gun deaths in America over the past 10 years have averaged ~30,000/yr.

In Taiwan the average is usually ~150/yr.

I think Taiwan has got it right!
January 5, 2016    saratseng@
What Legislator Yu Tien said about guns being smuggled into the country is very true but gangster are all about making money. There are fore the most part very self controlled because they do not want lose money. The guns mostly keep each in check and are rarely used. Gangsters in Taiwan are more mature than in other places except a few young hot heads who will not be given guns. Why do you think their common are bats. It would be insane to give the common Taiwanese guns. Most murders are crimes of passion. On this island there a lot passive aggressive young people who suddenly become brave with guns . Taiwan would suddenly go from a safe place to having many murders daily . It is not easy to attach a some with only . All the blood and risk to yourself is little scary. A bat is easier but easier to see . It is a little scary to jump off a building but with a gun suicide would suddenly become very easy . They already try to kill off the youth by letting them drink and smoke now they want give guns too, that is crazy and evil. By youth, I mean in the 20s. The best to way to protect yourself is run. Almost every victim who fight back dies or get seriously injured. If you want to be safe get in shape. Too much pride is not dangerous. Even the lion knows to run from too many buffalo.
January 6, 2016    richchen35@
WASHINGTON, United States—President Barack Obama shed tears Tuesday as he announced limited measures to tackle rampant US gun violence and called on Americans to punish lawmakers who oppose more meaningful reforms.
To all American pro gun posters here. This is your president speaking.
January 13, 2016    paccucu@
Here's a link for those who think owning a gun will not cause any problems in our society.
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/past-tolls
January 16, 2016    GeeWhiz@
richchen35@ wrote:
WASHINGTON, United States—President Barack Obama shed tears Tuesday as he announced limited measures to tackle rampant US gun violence and called on Americans to punish lawmakers who oppose more meaningful reforms.
To all American pro gun posters here. This is your president speaking.
He's not my President
January 19, 2016    bevinchu@
I never thought I would agree with any DPP official on anything, but as they say, "Politics makes strange bedfellows".

Gun ownership is a natural right that no one has a right to deny another. What makes the person denying another the right to gun ownership so special that he may have a gun and the other person may not?

For the record, many others of different political orientation have been saying the same thing for some time, including myself.

Red camp oriented academic Li Ao called for gun ownership liberalization many years ago.

So did "native Taiwanese" TV celebrity Bai Ping-ping, after her daughter was kidnapped and then murdered by thugs belonging to the DPP.

http://thechinadesk.blogspot.tw/2007/05/one-man-one-gun.html

-- Bevin Chu
January 19, 2016    bosswang007@
It looks like the hoplophobes are out in force with their wrong and misleading propaganda.
April 13, 2016    madmotorman@
Here in the United States, all states -- except Hawai'i, California, Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, Delaware, and the District of Columbia -- have in place laws that require concealed firearms permits to be issued whenever the applicant for a CFP is at least fingerprinted and clears a criminal and psychiatric background check. When the applicant's criminal & psych. check comes back clear, the issuing authority is required by law to issue the CFP. That's right, issuance of the CFP is a right, not a privilege.

In stark contrast to HI, CA, MA, NY, NJ, DL, and DC, it is noteworthy that the State of Vermont has never required a CFP to carry a gun concealed; any person carrying a concealed gun must be of legal age and not have a felony conviction or have been declared 'mentally defective', which is what US federal and state laws say. In all of the US, any person with a felony conviction who is caught with a firearm or ammunition is arrested and charged with another felony -- possession of a firearm by a felon. The penalty (under federal law) is five years' imprisonment.

Now, Maine, Kansas, Arkansas, Arizona, Wyoming, and Alaska have also passed legislation permitting concealed carry without a CFP, but still issue their own CFP's because they're recognized by many other states. But, know the law! To carry a concealed firearm without a CFP legally in Wyoming, you must possess a Wyoming-issued identification card or driver's licence. Additionally, West Virginia and Idaho have also enacted legislation -- effective later this year -- which permits this sort of thing, which is otherwise known as constitutional carry.

I reiterate: Inquire with the proper authority before you carry a concealed firearm without a CFP in any of the aforementioned constitutional carry states because they may require you to be a resident with a state-issued ID or driver's licence.

Hoplophobes visiting the US should confine their visits to the aforementioned states and DC. They may be correct when they say the US is a violent country, but it isn't as violent as certain other countries with severely restrictive or prohibitive firearms laws.

In summation: If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson, pens, pencils & typewriters cause misspelling, libel & slander, automobiles cause crashes, and trains are to blame whenever someone fouls the track and is struck by the train.
December 13, 2016    greenchille@
So, when China invades Taiwan, will you want to be able to defend yourself? A well-established principle of the right to bear arms in Taiwan is your best protection against a Chinese invasion.
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