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Beijing reiterates opposition to Taiwan independence

BEIJING -- Beijing Saturday reiterated its opposition to Taiwanese independence but said it welcomes exchanges with people from all quarters of Taiwan — provided they support pushing cross-strait ties forward.

The Chinese government maintains a “clear and consistent” policy toward the Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) and stands firmly against Taiwanese independence, said Fan Liqing, spokeswoman for China's Taiwan Affairs Office, when asked about whether Beijing has begun to engage with the DPP.

China hopes that people from all political parties and sectors of society in Taiwan will support cross-Taiwan Strait exchanges, cooperation and peace, Fan continued.

“We welcome anyone as long as he or she currently favors, supports and participates in the peaceful development of cross-strait relations, no matter what he or she advocated in the past,” she said.

The issue of whether Beijing will change its no-contact policy toward the pro-independence DPP has again come to the forefront after Lai Ching-te, mayor of the southern city of Tainan and a DPP member, embarked on his first visit to China Friday.

In a discussion with professors and students at Fudan University in Shanghai Saturday, Lai said that while the DPP advocates independence for Taiwan, the party respects the decision of the Taiwanese people with regard to Taiwan's future.

The DPP is reportedly open to a planned visit to Taiwan by Zhang Zhijun, minister of the Taiwan Affairs Office. There has been speculation that Zhang could meet with DPP Chairwoman Tsai Ing-wen.

Chao Tien-lin, chief of the DPP's China Affairs Committee, dismissed the speculation as “premature” on Saturday, noting that it remains unknown when Zhang's visit will occur.

June 9, 2014    Chinaman@
Let the Taiwanese know independence is a no go. Those Taiwanese who advocate independence should come back and volunteer in defending the country should China attack.
China has no need to take over Taiwan. The threat to destroy the island is good enough. Btw, don't bank on the US carriers coming to Taiwan's aid. The PLA carrier killer missile is an effective deterrent.
I don't think the US will start ww3 for Taiwan.
June 9, 2014    gc@
The Taiwanese will be naive to declare independence. This is not China of 1996. It is 2014. The PLA has backed its opposition to Taiwanese independence with muscle. I believe and the Pentagon knows there could no replay of 1996.For those too young to know, this will suffice.
The US send two carriers into the Taiwan Straits in 1196 to intimidate China after the PLA started firing missiles in the TS.
Since then things have changed. The PLA has at least 1500 missiles facing Taiwan. Then they have the carrier busting missiles. It's the latter threat that could put a dampener on Washington's ability to repeat 1996ie gunboat/carrier diplomacy. Whether these missiles are in operation, we don't know.
If the Taiwanese want independence, they have to count on US support.
To sacrifice two carriers for Taiwan independence maybe a cheap price but I believe saner heads will prevail in Taiwan and the US.
June 9, 2014    curtisakbar@
The question shouldn't be about independence but about recognition. The Taipei based government, ROC, Taiwan, Formosa whatever name you prefer to use, is an independent and self-regulated area. It covers all the required mandates to be officially called a country except one; recognition from other countries. So, by talking about independence implies that Taiwan is a part of PRC, whereas the talk of recognition is about other countries accepting the status of Taiwan.

The bottom line is that Taiwan will never be independent, so to keep the freedom and liberal society enjoyed on the island, Beijing and Taipei should form a Greater China Area, where the two sit equally together and is represented on the international stage by a single body comprising of individuals from both sides of the straits.
June 10, 2014    cg@
Taiwanese, especially those living in the US, clamoring for Taiwan independence, should come back to defend Taiwan if China were to attack it. China will be Taiwan's neighbor till the end of time. Can the US defend Taiwan 100% of the time as China grows stronger?
Is Taiwan so crucial to the US at an acceptable price? If the price is high, forget about US involvement unless the US goes berserk and opts for regime change in Beijing.
June 10, 2014    beware_of_china_threat@
cg@ wrote:
Taiwanese, especially those living in the US, clamoring for Taiwan independence, should come back to defend Taiwan if China were to attack it. China will be Taiwan's neighbor till the end of time. Can the US defend Taiwan 100% of the time as China grows stronger?
Is Taiwan so crucial to the US at an acceptable price? If the price is high, forget about US involvement unless the US goes berserk and opts for regime change in Beijing.
To cg, gc, Chinaman, mc, cm, mg etc.: When did the Chinese propaganda team start targeting this venue? Your English is pretty good but not perfect. How much are you paid for spreading these views? Could you let us in on your ideological training and other details of your contract? Thanks.
June 13, 2014    poeboy418@
While I have thoroughly enjoyed reading the comments about Taiwan's independence and China having the ability to destroy a US aircraft carrier, I feel the need to address a few things regarding the train of thought being stated here. An aircraft carrier is known as a power projection platform for a reason, which means it can, with all of its associated airplanes and other assets, do anything it needs to do without physically being in the line of fire of the enemy's weapons. That being said please don't confuse the US's restraint if in fact a war broke out between China and Taiwan from sending a carrier strike group or 2 or 3 or more from being within enough distance of China to physically do damage to them if they needed to protect Taiwan. And please don't underestimate the resolve of the Taiwan military to provide its own defensive capability. China wasn't such a big bully to Hong Kong from being its own society (truthfully it is whether you want to believe it or not), why should it prevent Taiwan from doing the same. So please continue to amuse us with you pro China stance. But keep what has been said here in the back of your mind for reference when/if war ever breaks out.
June 13, 2014    Chinaman@
I am attached to the PLA artillery section charged with the responsibility of defending China against conventional and nuclear attack. Info with regard to the use of nuclear weapons by US forces are easily obtainable on the internet. This is not a100% confirmation but basically the plans are the same: To prevail over China at minimal cost to the US.
According to some US websites the destruction of a single US carrier warrants the use of nw and onset of n war. Well China better be prepared for any eventuality with the US. That's why it's so crucial for China to have a secure, invulnerable nuclear deterrent. A hundred nm won't do. It must have, by my reckoning at least 1000 a thousand of them with fifty of them able to get through US missile defenses.
It's just like two guys shooting at one another. The guy with the machine gun, the US, can shoot China two hundred times. China just has to do with at least twenty shots. This is enough to get the job done.
According to the federation of US scientists, killing two hundred million and twenty million makes no difference. The senseless slaughter of such numbers should act as a deterrent. If this doesn't do, nothing will do unless the whole world explodes. The problem is the US. It wants to be the sole dominant power and no country, including China, should upgrade its military. This is wishful thinking and it's matter of time before the US becomes an orange, sorry, banana republic with war with China the only recourse.
June 17, 2014    poeboy418@
So the US is the only country thinking it should be the sole dominant super power in the world? I think not and let's look at recent activities in the world. China is involved with more disputes with its neighboring countries than anyone else. China enforces its might on the likes of Vietnam, the Philippines, and other smaller nations including Japan, establishing air defense corridors in areas that were previously free to everyone to operate through. They do it arbitrarily with no discussion with other neighboring countries and establish them well inside the economic zones of these other countries. Russia is also another big bully who wants to be the sole super power of the world. Annexing Crimea and inciting riots in other parts of the Ukraine. The US is not without fault when it comes to intervening in affairs that personally I feel we should stay out of but it is not alone when it comes to being a dominant country in the world. I agree with you is all it would take is 1 nuke, doesn't need to be 20 to hit the US mainland and that would be considered a game changer. But that could be said for any nuclear capable country out there who wants to launch nukes at anyone else. Numbers don't mean a thing if all it takes is 1 to send a message. I hope and pray that any differences between all countries can be resolved before any consideration to use nuclear weapons is even though of but we live and deal with reality and not fantasy and the reality of things is China has nukes, the US has nukes and a lot of other countries have nukes. Some have the ability to shoot nukes out of the air and some don't. No one is trying to stop China from protecting themselves or building up their military capabilities. But when you use said technology to impose your will on someone much smaller than you, then the world is paying attention and accountability must be addressed.
June 23, 2014    Chinaman@
If you look at history, nations have taken over other countries by force. China is not alone. The US annexed New Mexico, etc. The English took over the Falklands, Gibraltar, etc. So it's only natural as these formerly weak countries grow stronger, it's fair to say they will want to right the wrongs inflicted on them when they were defenseless.
China from the early 19th century was so weak the imperial capital, Peking, was razed to the ground by the western powers for challenging the latter.
The thing about Taiwan is it has the potential to trigger a war between the US and China. The PLA has a daunting task to close the military gap with the US. There is no need for that. As stated the ability to wreak devastating and unacceptable damage will be a deterrent to US nuclear threats.
The latest news as of June 23rd, is some US congressmen have asked for the US to recognize Taiwan as an independent country. These guys are not decision makers aware/unaware of the consequences. When they are in the hot seat, they will know there are certain redlines which you cross at your peril. I know the US will prevail, etc, etc,
Any sane thinking guy will know independence is a no go for Taiwan. We all know what will happen.
June 24, 2014    ludahai_twn@
Chinaman@ wrote:
If you look at history, nations have taken over other countries by force. China is not alone. The US annexed New Mexico, etc. The English took over the Falklands, Gibraltar, etc. So it's only natural as these formerly weak countries grow stronger, it's fair to say they will want to right the wrongs inflicted on them when they were defenseless.
China from the early 19th century was so weak the imperial capital, Peking, was razed to the ground by the western powers for challenging the latter.
The thing about Taiwan is it has the potential to trigger a war between the US and China. The PLA has a daunting task to close the military gap with the US. There is no need for that. As stated the ability to wreak devastating and unacceptable damage will be a deterrent to US nuclear threats.
The latest news as of June 23rd, is some US congressmen have asked for the US to recognize Taiwan as an independent country. These guys are not decision makers aware/unaware of the consequences. When they are in the hot seat, they will know there are certain redlines which you cross at your peril. I know the US will prevail, etc, etc,
Any sane thinking guy will know independence is a no go for Taiwan. We all know what will happen.
The United States annexed New Mexico and other territories from Mexico AFTER signing a treaty following victory in a war that Mexico started by crossing the border with Texas.

Similarly, Gibralter was annexed following a treaty signed with Spain.

Falklands never had to be invaded as there was no one there. That was occupation of terra nullius.

As for the present day, aggressive war has been illegal since the 1920s, so Chinese aggression against Taiwan or any other state in the region would be a clear violation of international law.

China has no legal claim to Taiwan as there was no territorial treaty in which sovereignty was transferred, a basic requirement under international law.
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