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'1 country, 2 areas' new basis for dialogue: KMT

The overall cooperation and exchanges in all areas of life represent “a correct choice” that has created peace dividends for the industries and for the people on both sides of the strait, he said, adding therefore, the “right choice” is widely welcome among the people.

Hu began his remarks by emphasizing China's “opposition to Taiwan independence and agreement with the '1992 Consensus'” — a position that has laid a foundation for peacefully developing cross-strait ties and meeting the expectations of the people on both sides of the strait.

During the 50-minute meeting at the Great Hall of the People (人民大會堂), Wu also stressed that the two sides should shelve their differences and seek common ground.

“While both insist there's only 'one China,' we have different interpretations of 'one China,'” he said.

The two sides should seek the common ground, which is “one China,” look squarely at the “realities” across the strait and set aside their disputes, he suggested.

The meeting was a regular KMT-CPC summit, the fifth for Wu since he visited China in 2008 in his capacity at the time as KMT chairman.

When Wu arrived in Beijing a day earlier, he pointed out that today's meeting between the two ruling parties will be an “important” one.

The significance of the Wu-Hu summit is that it has taken place before Ma is set to begin his second term in May and China's top leadership is about to change hands in fall.

Pan-green Response

Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) spokesman Lo Chih-cheng (羅致政) responded late yesterday that Wu's statement is contrary to Taiwan's mainstream opinion.

In a press release Thursday, Lo demanded that President Ma step forth to explain whether his views match Wu's statement.

The majority of Taiwanese people believe that Taiwan is a sovereign, independent country called the Republic of China. Any change to this status quo is subject to a plebiscite — the DPP has always stood behind this view, he said.

TSU lawmaker Hsu Chung-hsin (許忠信) responded yesterday that Wu's remarks dwarf the status of the nation.

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March 23, 2012    major_bob1@
Even after all these years, I am still surprised by the ongoing identity confusion of the Taiwanese people. Would be as if I am still confused as to whether I am American or British simply because some of my ancestors came from there.
March 23, 2012    ludahai_twn@
Just another example of the KMT not having given up on the insanity that Taiwan is a part of China. Most people in Taiwan reject this notion and during elections, the KMT tries (successfully in 2008 and 2012) to convince the people that it does NOT consider Taiwan a part of China. However, those of us who follow these things know that the KMT still regards Taiwan to be a part of China despite the fact that there never was a treaty legally signed, ratified and executed transferring sovereignty over from Japan to China.
March 23, 2012    carltanong@
The big fat PIG's大胖豬 brain of the DPP, TSU and the QUISLING was being fu+++d so intensely by Nipponese LEE TENG HUI since before and after Taiwan returned to R.O.China, their mind and body will never accept and acknowledge that R.O.China is a sovereign, independent country for their whole lifetime.

Those unweary QUISLING, DPP and TSU big fat PIG's大胖豬 with a long session of shouting R.O.China is "a government in exile" will never cease their dream to sold out Taiwan for their godfather Nipponese LEE TENG HUI wish and last testament to his(N_LTH) beloved fatherland Japan.

REMINDER TO ALL THE BIG FAT PIG's大胖豬.
Republic of China was already a sovereign, independent state since 1911 with 270000 strong young brave man and woman soldiers.
March 23, 2012    the_alliance47@
"One country, two areas" is consistent with the 1991 revision to the Constitution whereby the Republic of China has a Taiwan/Free Area and a Mainland Area.

The problem with the 1992 Consensus is that unless it is something that the rest of the world also accepts, it is not a solid foundation for further cross-strait negotiations. Like Korea and formerly Germany, each government accepted that there was only one country, and dealt with the other accordingly, but in the international community, both governments had a seat in the UN. There is only one Chinese nation, but the two governing authorities ought to be represented equally internationally.
March 24, 2012    friendoftaiwan@
Taiwan is a province that belonged to China since ancient times and was ceded to Japan because of stronger arms forces of Japan as many other western imperial powers did during 19th century and 20th century to the comparatively weak and inward China and the strongest might would have the power to determine International Law especially of the international situation before World War Two.

Therefore, Taiwan is the territory that was sacrificed by the international norm before Japan invaded the island. Likewise, when Republic of China defeated Japan as the outcome of World War Two that Chinese sovereignty on Taiwan was restored.

Republic of China after defeating Japan by her own arms forces and legally Republic of China can unilaterally claim that Taiwan is restored to China as the ruling government had returned to Republic of China (which is the successor state of Qing Empire of China).

ludahaINSANITY is only trying to spread the wrong notion that can poison the mind of the people of Taiwan and create hatred into violent and bloodshed. That is the main objective of ludahaINSANITY arguments.
March 24, 2012    vision966@
If England can reclaim US, they will. Why do you think they still glorify the Commonwealth of Nations? But US' guns can flatten England in minutes. Territorial registration US and England are different from start, PRC and ROC are 99% identical. Fact of Big Brother: ROC territorial registration, PRC physical territory. Trust US? Your call. See Vietnam. Bombed poisonously when don't need, re-approach when services needed - just like any commodity, have value buy, no value sell. Ha! Don’t end up like toilet paper - appreciated before use, despised after used.
March 26, 2012    michaeltaiwan2000@
Carl, just face up to reality. You lost the civil war, China is now ruled by a communist government recognized by the rest of the world. Taiwan is its own boss with its own President. Best just stick to reality old chum.
March 27, 2012    ludahai_twn@
friendoftaiwan@ wrote:
Taiwan is a province that belonged to China since ancient times and was ceded to Japan because of stronger arms forces of Japan as many other western imperial powers did during 19th century and 20th century to the comparatively weak and inward China and the strongest might would have the power to determine International Law especially of the international situation before World War Two.

Therefore, Taiwan is the territory that was sacrificed by the international norm before Japan invaded the island. Likewise, when Republic of China defeated Japan as the outcome of World War Two that Chinese sovereignty on Taiwan was restored.

Republic of China after defeating Japan by her own arms forces and legally Republic of China can unilaterally claim that Taiwan is restored to China as the ruling government had returned to Republic of China (which is the successor state of Qing Empire of China).

ludahaINSANITY is only trying to spread the wrong notion that can poison the mind of the people of Taiwan and create hatred into violent and bloodshed. That is the main objective of ludahaINSANITY arguments.
You are showing both a lack of knowledge about history and international law.

1. Taiwan did not belong to China in ancient times. Taiwan did not become a part of the state as China until 1683 when the Manchus, who had conquered China in the 1640s, conquered PART of the island (note that the entire island was not under Manchu control until the late 19th century). Both were conquered from the outside.

2. The Republic of China did not defeat Japan on its own. It was one of many Allied powers that worked together to defeat the Japanese imperialist armies. The ROC has no unilateral right to make declarations about territory that was the legal sovereign of the state that they defeated.

3. No state has the right to unilaterally determine transfer territory. It is a well-established tenet of international law that a treaty is required to transfer territory from one state to another state, and that said transfer must be specifically provided for in the treaty.

4. Like Carltanong and others, 'friendoftaiwan (sic)' attacks people, probably because their arguments are so weak that they can't stand scrutiny and thus must make personal attacks. This is the Blue MO and has been for decades.
March 28, 2012    ludahai_twn@
carltanong@ wrote:
The big fat PIG's大胖豬 brain of the DPP, TSU and the QUISLING was being fu+++d so intensely by Nipponese LEE TENG HUI since before and after Taiwan returned to R.O.China, their mind and body will never accept and acknowledge that R.O.China is a sovereign, independent country for their whole lifetime.

Those unweary QUISLING, DPP and TSU big fat PIG's大胖豬 with a long session of shouting R.O.China is "a government in exile" will never cease their dream to sold out Taiwan for their godfather Nipponese LEE TENG HUI wish and last testament to his(N_LTH) beloved fatherland Japan.

REMINDER TO ALL THE BIG FAT PIG's大胖豬.
Republic of China was already a sovereign, independent state since 1911 with 270000 strong young brave man and woman soldiers.
Carltanong is getting the analogy wrong. Quisling was someone who betrayed his country (a small one) to a larger, totalitarian neighbor. Thus, anyone in Taiwan who would betray Taiwan's freedom to the Chinese would be the Quisling. From THAT vantage point, one can only conclude that the Quislings and Petains of Taiwan are Ma, Wu and the rest of the cohort from the KleptoManiac Triad.
March 28, 2012    johnny.brian@
People here claim that they are not part of China, even though they look, eat, speak and even practice religion alike because their ancestry were originated from China. In the eyes of foreigners around the world, they (Chinese and Taiwanese) are basically of the same race and ethnicity. The real people of Taiwan is those aborigines who have darker skin, bigger eyes and fight against invaders such as Dutch, Spanish, Chinese and Japanese. Fake Taiwanese are those who were acting as they fight for Taiwan or the defender of political freedom of Taiwan, and those people always show-up during election days or memorial day, but deep inside they want power, money, plague of recognition and portion of newspaper headline. Still, from one country, living in two or three or four areas. IT DOES NOT MATTER, just take out the political and race issues, live in peace and harmony. Good thing is Jeremy Lin does not claim he is Taiwanese, but American.
March 29, 2012    fungusflu707@
major_bob1@ wrote:
Even after all these years, I am still surprised by the ongoing identity confusion of the Taiwanese people. Would be as if I am still confused as to whether I am American or British simply because some of my ancestors came from there.
We're not confused of our identity. The majority of Taiwanese people see ourselves as Taiwanese, not Chinese. We just don't want to declare independence due to fear or economic and military downfalls from China.
March 30, 2012    anotherdog58@
In the eyes of foreigners around the world, they (Chinese and Taiwanese) are basically of the same race and ethnicity.

Exactly!

The same hold for many countries, like Germany and Austria, or Switzerland. I would say there the differences are even less than Taiwanese to Chinese! And they enjoy their independece to the "big brother country".
Like Jeremy Lin claims he is American (what is that, a big melting pot!), please allow also the people in Taiwan to claim they are Taiwanese! So simple!
April 2, 2012    singaporean@
@anotherdog58

People in Taiwan claiming themselves to be Taiwanese is totally fine, like how we say we are Singaporean, but denying they are Chinese is unacceptable, only acceptable if you are of Aboriginal descents. Jeremy Lin said he is proud to be Chinese. Feel free to see his comments in Youtube if you think I’m making this up. I’m Singaporean myself, but I'm proud to be Chinese. This is not about racism, this is about heritage!
April 5, 2012    anotherdog58@
As Singaporean you exactly know what is meant: Johnny Brian, to whom I referred was not writing "Chinese", but "Part of China". He writes "country, living in two or three or four areas" ,- so do you agree that Singapore should be just one area, as a "Part of China"?
The heritage (actually it is racism) is simply misused for power and possession claims. Especially the younger generation in Taiwan don't care about this "heritage" claims. China is ranked far behind countries like Japan, USA or even Korea as "friendly neighbor" or as an example "to be proud of".
Are you proud to be Singaporean or to be Chinese?
April 10, 2012    Mike99@
singaporean@ wrote:
@anotherdog58

People in Taiwan claiming themselves to be Taiwanese is totally fine, like how we say we are Singaporean, but denying they are Chinese is unacceptable, only acceptable if you are of Aboriginal descents. Jeremy Lin said he is proud to be Chinese. Feel free to see his comments in Youtube if you think I’m making this up. I’m Singaporean myself, but I'm proud to be Chinese. This is not about racism, this is about heritage!
Guess foreigners will never understand that reasoning. I am Canadian myself, but my heritage lies in England. I am definitely not proud to be English... but proud to be Canadian.
April 12, 2012    b4910012@
People are only afraid that their freedom would be taken away. That is why they don't want to be part of China, however, if China were a democratic country that would make all the difference. There are many benefits being a single country with 2 areas which can go hand in hand such as economical ties, war time assistance, other bigger countries that bully us may change their minds, and even tourism. In the long run maybe if the political status in China gets better there would be nothing bad about having a one China. Why does everyone have to have a western mind set and praise western ideology? Eastern ideology is equally important.
April 14, 2012    skylarjones@
Jeremy Lin is Chinese. Republic of Chinese. There is no Republic of Taiwan.
April 16, 2012    ludahai_twn@
skylarjones@ wrote:
Jeremy Lin is Chinese. Republic of Chinese. There is no Republic of Taiwan.
Actually, he is an American. He holds a U.S. passport and has U.S. citizenship and no other.
April 17, 2012    dannycj16@
@b4910012 and @vision966, well said!

We just hate those foreigners coming to Taiwan and trying to tell us that the best option is to declare independence from China. My family has lived overseas for over 20 years, and believe me people, these western countries are NOT looking for the best interest of Taiwan. But for their OWN interest. They DO NOT consider us as friends; such things do not exist in foreign diplomacy. They just want to destabilize the region and particularly China. That way, they'll have the perfect excuse to colonize (bring democracy according to them, hah!) to other parts of Asia such as Taiwan. Once they are done or their mission completed, they'll just dump us aside same as garbage. I don't give a @#$%! how long a foreigner has lived in Taiwan. When you are not of Taiwanese or Chinese descent, you cannot comprehend the real issues. Yes, it does include HERITAGE.
April 18, 2012    ludahai_twn@
dannycj16@ wrote:
@b4910012 and @vision966, well said!

We just hate those foreigners coming to Taiwan and trying to tell us that the best option is to declare independence from China. My family has lived overseas for over 20 years, and believe me people, these western countries are NOT looking for the best interest of Taiwan. But for their OWN interest. They DO NOT consider us as friends; such things do not exist in foreign diplomacy. They just want to destabilize the region and particularly China. That way, they'll have the perfect excuse to colonize (bring democracy according to them, hah!) to other parts of Asia such as Taiwan. Once they are done or their mission completed, they'll just dump us aside same as garbage. I don't give a @#$%! how long a foreigner has lived in Taiwan. When you are not of Taiwanese or Chinese descent, you cannot comprehend the real issues. Yes, it does include HERITAGE.
Sounds racist to me. The usual fallback from KMT supporters.
April 18, 2012    anotherdog58@
dannycj16, Let's assume you are Taiwanese: are you proud to be Taiwanese or Chinese?

Oversea Chinese, who lived over 20 years outside Taiwan cannot comprehend real Taiwanese issues.
Just having a Taiwanese Passport - what is that? In my eyes you are a foreigner who mingles into Taiwanese affairs.

If you would know Taiwanese way of life, you would realize how much Taiwanese likes to be their own boss. Taiwanese are proud of democracy.
April 18, 2012    Mike99@
dannycj16@ wrote:
@b4910012 and @vision966, well said!

We just hate those foreigners coming to Taiwan and trying to tell us that the best option is to declare independence from China. My family has lived overseas for over 20 years, and believe me people, these western countries are NOT looking for the best interest of Taiwan. But for their OWN interest. They DO NOT consider us as friends; such things do not exist in foreign diplomacy. They just want to destabilize the region and particularly China. That way, they'll have the perfect excuse to colonize (bring democracy according to them, hah!) to other parts of Asia such as Taiwan. Once they are done or their mission completed, they'll just dump us aside same as garbage. I don't give a @#$%! how long a foreigner has lived in Taiwan. When you are not of Taiwanese or Chinese descent, you cannot comprehend the real issues. Yes, it does include HERITAGE.
I guess you are assuming that the rest of the world is American... you actually claim that Canada is trying to colonize Asia? Or France? Or Germany? And just whose interpretation of the real issues are you referring to? The ones who are proud to be Taiwanese? It would be interesting to see what event caused you to have such spite for us gwei-lo.
April 19, 2012    thm1229@
dannycj16@,

Well, it looks like we have another loose cannon on this board. What or who gave you the right to suggest that we "westerners/foreigners" living in Taiwan are not eligible to have any say as far as the future of Taiwan is concerned?! I have lived in my adopted country for over a decade, my wife is Taiwanese, and our kids were borne here. That gives me every right to look after the best interest of my family and our future.

Wait a second here, so I guess you and your family have lived overseas for over 20 years, right? I'm sure your family at some point "voted" or made decisions that affect the community in which all of you lived in, right? How dare you to try and make decision as a "foreigner" overseas. Who gave you that right?

Heritage? Part of my family and especially my kids have heritage here. Anything else you might want to add?!
April 21, 2012    taiwanesechinese@
thm1229@ wrote:
dannycj16@,

Well, it looks like we have another loose cannon on this board. What or who gave you the right to suggest that we "westerners/foreigners" living in Taiwan are not eligible to have any say as far as the future of Taiwan is concerned?! I have lived in my adopted country for over a decade, my wife is Taiwanese, and our kids were borne here. That gives me every right to look after the best interest of my family and our future.

Wait a second here, so I guess you and your family have lived overseas for over 20 years, right? I'm sure your family at some point "voted" or made decisions that affect the community in which all of you lived in, right? How dare you to try and make decision as a "foreigner" overseas. Who gave you that right?

Heritage? Part of my family and especially my kids have heritage here. Anything else you might want to add?!
Move them back to wherever you came from if you are not happy. You don't have to stay here. You are a foreigner remember? More than 1 Billion people in Taiwan and China are just like you (looking after the best interest of their family)! Millions of us on this island have relatives in Mainland just so you know! Now you tell me, who are you?
April 25, 2012    anotherdog58@
@taiwanesechinese
Millions of us on this island have relatives in Mainland and want that the Mainlanders stay in the Mainland and leave Taiwan in peace. Just let the people vote on it, so easy!
April 26, 2012    carltanong@
Taiwan, Kinmen, Matsu, Penghu and other island are R.O.China.

All Chinese migrated to Taiwan from the mainland since ancient time up to the present, the aboriginal, the overseas, EVEN those foreigners who apply and become the citizen of R.O.China are all Chinese called "Taiwanese" Chinese living in TAIWAN island,
"Kinmenese" Chinese in Kinmen, "Matsuese" Chinese in Matsu and "Penghues" Chinese in Penghu are all citizen of R.O.China.

REMEMBER:
Hawaiian are called Hawaiian American, German are called German American etc in US.

Simple and easy, right?

IF those QUISLING who wanted to follow the footstep of QUISLING Nipponese LEE TENG HUI "BUSHIDO WARRIOR", QUISLING DPPigs and TSUnit731. Then they shall called Taiwanese Japanese and should go back to their Japan motherland if they wish.
April 27, 2012    thm1229@
taiwanesechinese@,

Who I am? I'm American Taiwanese. Happy?!

Now tell me why I should move back? Did I say I was unhappy here? Please refer to my previous post before firing any responses that make no sense.

A billion people in Taiwan and China are just like me? Good, then we should have a common understanding. Perhaps I should ask some of my Asian friends in the US not to vote or get involved in American politics since they are considered foreigners anyway. Even though some were born in the US. Wonder how they would react...? See my point.

Now you tell me, who are you???
April 27, 2012    ludahai_twn@
Carltanong is forgetting that the Manchus, who conquered both China and Taiwan (Pengu being associated with Taiwan in the treaty) separately, signed away its rights to Taiwan in a legally binding treaty in 1895. China, the supposed successor state to the Manchu Empire, never signed a treaty 'reclaiming' such rights. Japan merely renounced sovereignty - not a sufficient trigger under international law to actually transfer that sovereignty from one state to another.

These are facts that some people are blind to, but they are the facts no matter what names they want to call others who simply deliver the truth to them.
April 27, 2012    anotherdog58@
German American? Very strange. Let's extrapolate: French American, Russian American? A joke!

But in one point you are right: German speaking Swiss call themselves "Swiss German" but they would never ever accept that Switzerland is one area of Germany.

And Singaporeans would be then "Singaporean Chinese" with Singapore being one area of China? Carl, better never say that to a Singaporean.
April 28, 2012    charles@
The ultimate decision as to who owns what piece of land on earth has always been war or the threat of war.
Recent examples: Falkland. If Argentina won will any court be able to award the Malvinas back to the UK? Even if a court does award the Falklands back to the UK, will Argentina give it back? Will the USA be the sheriff?
All the history and legal talk is just efforts to justify a war to take over land under someone else's control.
May 1, 2012    confused@
Sorry guys, I'm so into Chinese culture recently, but I’m getting more confused each day after reading comments/arguments here. So a neighbor is a Singaporean couple and they have 2 kids, but the kids were told (by the parents) they are ABC (from what I gathered, it stands for Australian born Chinese). But the parents are not from China. So if a Taiwanese couple gave birth in Australia, would the kids be considered ABT or ABC? Just curious...
May 2, 2012    carltanong@
ludahai_twn@ wrote:
Carltanong is forgetting that the Manchus, who conquered both China and Taiwan (Pengu being associated with Taiwan in the treaty) separately, signed away its rights to Taiwan in a legally binding treaty in 1895. China, the supposed successor state to the Manchu Empire, never signed a treaty 'reclaiming' such rights. Japan merely renounced sovereignty - not a sufficient trigger under international law to actually transfer that sovereignty from one state to another.

These are facts that some people are blind to, but they are the facts no matter what names they want to call others who simply deliver the truth to them.
Remember this ludahai_nippon: QING CHINA Manchu is Chinese. If they are not Chinese, then the European American cannot call themselves American. Americans are those RED INDIANS. Red Indian homeland was conquered from the outside by Europeans. So were Hawaiians. Got my point?

Please tell the readers here if International Law authorized...
_Any mighty nation to conquer weaker nations?
_Any mighty nation to force and suppress any weaker nation’s citizens?
_Any mighty nation to force any weak nation to sign any treaty to occupy its land?
_Any mighty nation allowed to commit atrocities and save the neck of a Special War Criminal?
_ETC.....

Those International Law and Treaty u are mentioning were written under the mighty nations and those weaker nations were forced to accept it unwillingly with guns pointed at their heads and swords in their throats.

Today is the 21st century. Don't forget that Taiwan and the rest of the islands now belong to R.O.China since 1945, including Tiaoyutai, because your daddy Japan lost the war.

Don't believe me? Tell the South and North KOREAN that the KOREA PENISULA belongs to your fatherland Japan. Try it if you DARE and if you are brave enough. They will surely tell you to F+++ off.
May 2, 2012    ludahai_twn@
Once again, Carltanong's frothing at the mouth lacks common sense and basic knowledge about history and international law.

Did you know that the Chinese revolutionaries in the late 19th centuries regarded the Manchus as foreigners? They invaded China from the outside and Chinese intellectuals did not regard them as Chinese. Manchus themselves hated the ROC and did not consider themselves as Chinese.

As for your so-called points, international law authorized the first three prior to World War II. This is confirmed by centuries of international practice and the writings of international legal scholars dating to Hugo Grotius. As for the atrocities, those are now criminalized by the creation of 20th century treaties.

Those treaties were fully legally binding on those parties who signed and ratified them. It isn't only European countries on Asian countries. This was true within the European national-state system as well. All treaties, regardless of WHY they were signed and ratified were fully binding. In the case of a postwar treaty, nearly always it was a stronger country (the winner) imposing its will on the weaker one (the loser). Again, the writings of dozens of legal scholars over the centuries along with the practice of states confirms this.

As for losing the war, losing a war does not automatically transfer territory. The ROC did not win the war, the Allies did. The ROC was one of those Allies. Winning a war does not automatically transfer territory. There must be a treaty to transfer it. This is a commonly accepted principle of international law. The fact that you don't accept this is not my problem. However, it doesn't change the fact that this IS the law. Don't like it? Too bad.

As for Diaoyotai, it isn't as simple as you say. Yes, Japan acknowledged that it was part of Taiwan by virtue of a court decision, but the Treaty of San Francisco was not clear about the disposition of the territory and under one interpretation of the treaty, the US had the right to transfer that territory back to Japan, as they did, given that the U.S. did not consider it associated with Taiwan. I believe this to be in error on the basis of the Tokyo court decision.
May 4, 2012    carltanong@
PART-1
Good day ludahai_nippon. And thanks u very much. That proved I'm right again and again..

_CHINA-MAN history began since the Three Sovereigns and the Five Emperors to the last is Qing "Dynasty" CHINA,. ALL DYNASTY are CHINA and called CHINESE. All China-Man emperors fight each other for supremacy internally NOT from the outside as you CLAIMED . And all those war and conflict was INTERNAL AFFAIR of CHINA-MAN.

_The revolutionaries CHINA-MAN revolted against QING CHINA Chinese because the QING CHINA government was too corrupt, weak and helpless to stopped the Brits to feeds all the citizens of QING CHINA Chinese with opium and never learned to invent and manufacture modern weapons. And some QING CHINA gov't officer was benefited from the OPIUM trade and profits. That is NOT hatred but to saved the whole CHINA.
May 4, 2012    carltanong@
PART-2
ludahai_nippon.
Again and again I was right. As your per say that "international law authorized the first three prior to World War II." That proved that International Law was being written by the Mighty Nation for their own national interest to conquer from the outside against those Weaker Nation and forced them to signed those Treaty unwillingly and violated their human rights, civil liberty, freedom and self determination....

IF it's NOT R.O.China gallant military using the primitive phased out weapons against the modern Fanatics Japanese Imperial Military and installed the FJIM million of troops, warplane and Warship that killed the Chinese civilians and soldiers and committed atrocities against the Chinese. The whole Asia even Hawaii and Red Indian land will raise the RED FLAG of the FJIM.

Once again I'm right that Tiaoyutai belong to R.O.China Taiwan. Just read that a Fanatic Japanese governor and TOKYO Fanatical government want to buy Tiaoyutai and the vicinity island that those Fanatics Japanese knows those islands belong to R.O.China.

I'm wondering why u just skipped my 2 arguments......
"_Any mighty nation allowed to commit atrocities and save the neck of a Special War Criminal?" and
_"Tell the South and North KOREAN that the KOREA PENISULA belongs to your fatherland Japan".

Go back to UNIT731 and consult your DR.Shiro Iishi. U are now very CRITICAL.
May 8, 2012    ludahai_twn@
Carltanong has once again forgotten his medication...

1. China has been conquered in part or in total by foreigners several times in its history. These include the Later Tang, Later Jin, Later Han, Northern Han, Liao, Jin, Western Xia, Yuan, and Qing.

2. There was a reason that treaties were accepted as legally binding. If they were not regarded as legally binding, than the winning state would simply pummel the losing state into non-existence. Such recognition of treaties actually prevented a lot of destruction and suffering. Read the works of Hugo Grotius and other early international legal scholars.

3. The U.S. won the war against Japan. The Japanese would not have conquered the United States. The Chinese fought the army. The army was not a threat to the United States, it was the Imperial Japanese Navy. The U.S. defeated it conclusively even while fighting in Europe as well.

4. As for Tiaoyutai, I have never said that it conclusively belongs to Japan. I have weighed the evidence and concluded that the balance of evidence is on the side of Taiwan, but there is an interpretation of the treaties where Japan's claim isn't completely without merit.

As usual, you have no notion of history, of international law or general civility. Then again, you are someone who claimed that Mussolini and Hitler were tried by the ICJ and Nuremburg... ha ha ha
May 9, 2012    lindahwee@
@Ludahai;

Do you have a response to carltanong’s last two questions?

1-Any mighty nation is "allowed to commit atrocities and save the neck of a Special War Criminal"?
2-Do you agree that "the KOREA PENISULA belongs to Japan"?

I am a student and have observed yours and carltanong’s arguments and remarks here.
May 9, 2012    johnny.brian@
confused@ wrote:
Sorry guys, I'm so into Chinese culture recently, but I’m getting more confused each day after reading comments/arguments here. So a neighbor is a Singaporean couple and they have 2 kids, but the kids were told (by the parents) they are ABC (from what I gathered, it stands for Australian born Chinese). But the parents are not from China. So if a Taiwanese couple gave birth in Australia, would the kids be considered ABT or ABC? Just curious...
Take the example of NBA basketball player Jeremy Lin, he was born of Taiwanese parents in the US soil. And good thing is that Jeremy did not claim he is Taiwanese, but he is American of US citizenship. Beside, Jeremy does not have Taiwan (ROC) Passport too. Only those people whether from Taiwan or from China would like to create nonsense arguments, which make them a fool.
May 10, 2012    ludahai_twn@
lindahwee@ wrote:
@Ludahai;

Do you have a response to carltanong’s last two questions?

1-Any mighty nation is "allowed to commit atrocities and save the neck of a Special War Criminal"?
2-Do you agree that "the KOREA PENISULA belongs to Japan"?

I am a student and have observed yours and carltanong’s arguments and remarks here.
1. Questions lacks context and makes no sense.

2. Of course it doesn't belong to Japan. The Peace Treaty of San Francisco specifically gave Korea independence. Actually, you should ask this question to Carltanong as he has repeatedly said in the past that said treaty was controversial and is thus non-binding.
May 10, 2012    anotherdog58@
@lindahwee: I do not understand you. Are you suggesting that the KOREA PENINSULA should belong to China?
Why should anyone agree that the KOREA PENISULA belongs to Japan? I think you realize that "belonging to someone" is very different with culture, race, heritage...

Nationalist like Carltanong uses racist statements to manipulate the mind of the people. They like to mix up heritage and culture with "One Country".

Charles wrote before: "All the history and legal talk is just efforts to justify a war to take over land under someone else's control."
May 10, 2012    freewill1776@
Taiwan will be much better to make closer (read, unification) friends with China (PRC) than it is with the US. US intention toward Taiwan is double-faced and mercenary.

Economically, by selling Taiwan a false feeling of security in the form of outdated military hardware, the US is simply trying to keep some of its military industrial complex running and its corrupt finances afloat.

Geo-strategically, as a US general pointed out, Taiwan is a huge aircraft carrier that is unsinkable. In a sense, the US wants to use Taiwan as an East Asian version of Israel to keep the region unstable and the existence of its jarhead rapist military servicemen in many countries across Pacific Asia legitimate.

My hope is that Taiwan will no longer fall for this Joseph Nye-Richard Armitage conspiracy of US military empire building in the Eurasia. Furthermore, be Taiwan stands on the right side of history or not, future power and prosperity will belong to the Eurasian China-India-Russia (and their smaller allies) axis as the Israel-UK-US (and their smaller allies) axis goes down the drain.
May 17, 2012    yuxiao67@
I HOPE THAT ASEAN COUNTRIES RECOGNIZE THAT TAIWAN IS A SOVEREIGN INDEPENDENT COUNTRY, THERE SHOULD BE NO COMPROMISE WITH PRC. TAIWAN PEOPLE ARE BRAVE. WE WILL FIGHT PRC IF THEY ATTACK US.
May 23, 2012    carltanong@
May 9, 2012 lindaHwee@
Please refer to the article Video shows . You will have the response of ludahai_nippon #1 question of yours.
ludahai_nippon wrote "Hirohito was regarded as instrumental in pacifying Japan. Executing him would have been disastrous and counter-productive. That proved I'm right again and again that Emperor Hirohito was a WAR CRIMINAL.

lindaHwee, in your 2nd question for ludahai_nippon. L_N will never have the guts to answer it. WHY? Sooner or later, his beloved Japan daddy land Fanatic Japan Imperial Military will use force and conquer South Korea DOKDO from the outside.
May 23, 2012    JohnGalt@
freewill1776@
Buddy up with our communist comrades in China? The axis of Israel-UK-US is so evil but the PRC-North Korea-Iran Axis is okay? Wow such a difficult choice. Defend yourself or bow to the Chicoms. You talk about the FEW terrible rapes that happened in Japan but the forced abortions in China are okay with you.
May 24, 2012    ludahai_twn@
carltanong@ wrote:
May 9, 2012 lindaHwee@
Please refer to the article Video shows . You will have the response of ludahai_nippon #1 question of yours.
ludahai_nippon wrote "Hirohito was regarded as instrumental in pacifying Japan. Executing him would have been disastrous and counter-productive. That proved I'm right again and again that Emperor Hirohito was a WAR CRIMINAL.

lindaHwee, in your 2nd question for ludahai_nippon. L_N will never have the guts to answer it. WHY? Sooner or later, his beloved Japan daddy land Fanatic Japan Imperial Military will use force and conquer South Korea DOKDO from the outside.
You have reading comprehension problems. I answered it days ago. YOU should answer that question because you have repeatedly said that the San Francisco Treaty is invalid.
May 25, 2012    fengis@
Has anyone on this list ever held public office? Does anyone know what it means to hold office and be a public servant? A computer screen and a keyboard seem to give everyone a lot of courage and authority, and hatred, too.
June 7, 2012    ksong@
As the discussion is getting out of hand, let me, an Overseas Chinese, open another can of worms for the fun of it:

"I reckon Japan and Korean Peninsula were originally parts of China."
June 8, 2012    ludahai_twn@
ksong@ wrote:
As the discussion is getting out of hand, let me, an Overseas Chinese, open another can of worms for the fun of it:

"I reckon Japan and Korean Peninsula were originally parts of China."
Are you carltanong's brother? What a absurd and ridiculous assertion. You know parts of China were once part of Korea, right?
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