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Updated Thursday, October 8, 2009 9:17 am TWN, The China Post news staff 'Sellout of Taiwan' is being overused by the DPPIt has worked. After President Ma Ying-jeou was elected president, the opposition party, cashing in on his original sin of being born a mainlander Chinese, calls every one of his policy initiatives an act of selling out Taiwan to the People's Republic of China. Ergo, the opening of the three direct links between the two sides of the Taiwan Strait was called a sellout. Riots broke out in Taipei while Chen Yunlin, chairman of the Association for Relations Across the Taiwan Strait (ARATS), was in the city to sign a number of agreements to further improve cross-strait relations. Rioters protested that Ma was selling out Taiwan. The label applied to the economic cooperation framework agreement (ECFA) between Taiwan and China as well. The party is initiating a referendum on the ECFA, the sole purposing being to abort the pact, without which Taiwan faces a real challenge surviving economically in an emerging Asia free trade zone where the People's Republic dominates. That free trade block will be a reality January 1 of next year. But Trong Chai, the minority leader in the Legislative Yuan, went a little too far recently. After watching a military parade in Beijing on TV on October 1, Chai bristled and lamented that Taipei isn't going to get its military on parade on October 10 to mark the Republic of China's National Day. Chai had a point by rightly claiming the People's Republic was flexing its muscle to boast it could conquer Taiwan in no time. But he became a megalomaniac by urging President Ma to organize a military parade on par with the Chinese version. Should Ma fail to do so, he would be charged again with selling out Taiwan. Chai, on the other hand, conveniently forgot that Taipei canceled the Double Tenth National Day celebration because the people don't have the heart to organize a gala extravaganza in the wake of the devastating Typhoon Morakot which struck Taiwan on August 8-9, leaving in its wake more than 700 people dead and a third of the island under flood waters and mudslides. He has to be reminded that it's Wang Jin-pyng, the parliament speaker, who has organized the annual celebration for more than a decade. At any rate, the mantra didn't work this time. One reason is his self-contradiction. He went on record by stating a National Day military parade is a monopoly of a dictatorship and has condemned one and all of them ever held in Taipei. How could he make an about-face and call on the president to show Taiwan's “mighty force of arms?” Another reason for the hollow words is that Chai has never used it to curse former President Chen Shui-bian. Remember, Chen is suing President Barack Obama and his Secretary of Defense Robert Gates for failure to continue placing Taiwan under U.S. military occupation. Chen should be charged with treason for calling himself an agent of the U.S. military government on Taiwan. He pointed out in an affidavit in support of a petition submitted to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces that he dutifully ruled Taiwan for eight long years as a proxy who took orders from the American Institute in Taiwan. If that's not a sellout of Taiwan — in this case to the United States — what is? Not one opposition party leader has come out to condemn Chen for being an agent of the U.S. military. A mantra, like everything else, shouldn't be overused, but perhaps the opposition party leaders can renew the power of the mantra by chanting it against Chen since he has already admitted to selling out Taiwan. Subscribe to The China Post and save 25%. Click here Comments October 9, 2009 anotherdog58@ cia_yes, your last sentence is matching my view about political parties in Taiwan. But for the rest I disagree: Taiwanese people are proud of their Chinese ancestors, but that does not exclude to be proud of a free and democratic Taiwan. Replace in your first paragraph Taiwan by Singapore! Chinese people in Singapore call themselves Chinese but nonetheless love their homeland Singapore. So what is so bad about "taiwaneseness"? Now if it comes to a contract "EFCA", Taiwan should study very carefully the content, like Singapore would. I think the political parties are much more divided than the Taiwanese people. Most people appreciate direct flights and I doubt that this "sellout" argument helped DPP. October 9, 2009 johnny.bryan@ Actually, DPP is very illogical identifying and calling themselves Taiwanese. Does the DPP love Taiwan? The answer is based on these people: Ex-pres Chen and his wife loves money, Trong Chai becomes patriotic when there is no military parade now while little or no celebration during 8 years of Chen administration. And Chen proclaimed himself as an US agent, which is the real "Sellout of Taiwan," and betrayer of the Taiwanese people. What has the DPP done? So far, nothing. October 9, 2009 pdeacon2@ *Nods head vigorously* Yes, this is exactly what should happen! Well said, Sir!Perhaps then the renegade United States, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand will also all likewise fall into line, accept their British past; remember where the language they speak derives, that a significant number of them have British ancestry; accept once more Her Most Sovereign Majesty, Queen Elizabeth the Second, in the name of whose ancestors their lands were originally claimed; and accept once more her appointed Government of the United Kingdom, as their own. God Save the Queen! October 9, 2009 cia_no@ The China Post as is, luckily, an outlet facility for the frustration of the likes of "cia_yes", much like a prostitute helps keeping possible deviant sexual behaviour from becoming a real public burden. October 10, 2009 cigars898@ cia_yes@ wrote: That's quite a leap in the reasoning process. The majority of the people don't care about what you’re talking about because it's ridiculous. It's just that simple. Your reasoning is “My ancestors are Chinese so I owe it to my ancestors to be a Chicom." Who's denying that their ancestors are Chinese? Chinese does not equal PRC. Is American a race? No, but 300 million still call themselves Americans. I think I'll keep calling myself Taiwanese."It has worked" because KMT is too coward to face the reality. KMT should learn the history thoroughly and teach the DPP history of Taiwan. Every body in the world except DPP knows that majority of so-called Taiwanese except aborigines are descendents of Han Chinese who migrated to the island so-called Taiwan for various reason over the past 400 years. Just tell the DPP where your great great grandfather come from, if it's not from mainland China, then they must come from either outer space or Japan. If DPP denied their Chinese ancestors, just remove sur name from their name, just throw away the ancestral tablets from their home into the Pacific ocean, repatriate the Matsu to Mei Zhou, abandon speaking Fujianese. Taiwan is only a name of the place, not a name of the race. Wherever you live in this world, you may be an American or citizen of some countries, but your race will always be "Chinese" until the end of the world. It's just that simple. Instead KMT is trying to be appeared as Taiwanese as possible which put it only in second place next to DPP. KMT does not know that it cannot topple DPP to take 1st Taiwaneseness. If KMT were bold enough to tell DPP everyday, on every occasion that "we" are from the same ancestral land, "we" have the common ancestors and origin, and difference is only the time frame we arrived on this land called Taiwan, then the Taiwan would not be as divided as today. It's the blunder of KMT which make nearsighted DPP so successful. Also, KMT is as nearsighted as DPP, cannot see beyond the election. For election, to be elected, both will use any means at the expense of long term interest of the country. October 10, 2009 csempere109@ Most of us DPP supporters agree that our ethnicity and culture is Chinese in origin. We simply disagree that nationality – in political terms – should be based on race and culture. In most of the world, different countries that share a common language and/or culture tend to become allies, rather than try to conquer each other. National identity is based more on the shared experiences of a group of people. That works on a shorter time scale than culture, usually only as far back as the memories of the older generation (70-80 years?). Taiwan’s history since 1895 has been so divergent from China’s that there isn’t a nationalistic connection anymore. It’s even harder in Taiwan’s case, because being told, “You are Chinese!” was accompanied by threats by the KMT police during the Martial Law Era, and is now accompanied by threats of missiles by the PRC. 60 years of “be Chinese or die” simply wasn’t good advertisement. So if you mean that we’re all “huaren,” that’s fine, no arguments. But we’ll only admit to being “Zhongguo ren” at gunpoint, and even then it would be a lie. October 13, 2009 identification@ cigars898@ wrote: Americans will call and identify themselves Irish or German etc American if they are European. Black Americans etc for Africa. Hawaiian American for Hawaii and other races etc. As for your own acknowledgement as a Chinese, then you shall call yourself Taiwanese Chinese. You are not a Taiwan Aborigines. That's quite a leap in the reasoning process. The majority of the people don't care about what you’re talking about because it's ridiculous. It's just that simple. Your reasoning is “My ancestors are Chinese so I owe it to my ancestors to be a Chicom." Who's denying that their ancestors are Chinese? Chinese does not equal PRC. Is American a race? No, but 300 million still call themselves Americans. I think I'll keep calling myself Taiwanese. LESS SMOKING CAN MAINTAIN A HEALTHY MIND. October 13, 2009 ilovebeer@ @cigars898300 million American call themselves American. Yes, you are right. Because they are under the flag of United State of America=American. Hawaiian American, Indian American and etc etc. 23 million Taiwanese should call themselves Taiwanese Chinese. Why? Because they are under the flag of Republic of China=Chinese. If the Taiwanese Han Chinese want to call themselves Taiwanese and discard themselves as Chinese, then we should all go back to the mainland. Know why? Because it is the Austronesian People who settled first in the island of Taiwan 8000 years ago before our ancestors migrated to Taiwan. The Austronesian=Chinese. So what race do you belong then? The DPP and their supporters should accept the Historical Fact. October 14, 2009 carltanong@ csempere109 and the DPP were so upset that Taiwanese Chinese are citizens of Republic of China. The DPP and supporters only want power but incapable of managing our country's affairs. The DPP and the green supporters forget one important thing that they are all illegitimate sons of tai wan ren. Even the legitimate sons of tai wan ren are Chinese. Got my point? The DPP is really a JACK-ASS. October 15, 2009 cigars898@ ilovebeer@ wrote: This has nothing to do with race. You philosophy is very similar to that of the Nazis and Adolf Hitler. People living in Taiwan don't want to have any relation to the Chicoms. Why are you so insistent that they should be?@cigars898 300 million American call themselves American. Yes, you are right. Because they are under the flag of United State of America=American. Hawaiian American, Indian American and etc etc. 23 million Taiwanese should call themselves Taiwanese Chinese. Why? Because they are under the flag of Republic of China=Chinese. If the Taiwanese Han Chinese want to call themselves Taiwanese and discard themselves as Chinese, then we should all go back to the mainland. Know why? Because it is the Austronesian People who settled first in the island of Taiwan 8000 years ago before our ancestors migrated to Taiwan. The Austronesian=Chinese. So what race do you belong then? The DPP and their supporters should accept the Historical Fact. October 15, 2009 se-green@ DPP always finds topics of troubles to stir people's minds. They pretend to fight for these poor people, but instead DPP politicians are cowardly behind the scene. I agree that the government, especially the KMT, should always look beyond the Taiwan-ness as a collective proud citizen of the world. October 16, 2009 ilovebeer@ cigars898@ wrote: History is based on Human Race.This has nothing to do with race. You philosophy is very similar to that of the Nazis and Adolf Hitler. People living in Taiwan don't want to have any relation to the Chicoms. Why are you so insistent that they should be? Without Human Race, there will be no History. No Human Race=No History=No Arguments. October 17, 2009 cigars898@ to dentification@I must have blown smoke in your face and caused you to lose the ability to read. You go ahead and call yourself Taiwanese Chinese. I've never even been to China nor have my parents or their parents plus my great grandfather was from Holland. My nationality is definitely not Chinese. I could give a rat’s ass about race. You have got your self hung up on skin color and genealogy. Haven't you read enough history to no what racism accomplishes? October 17, 2009 cigars898@ to: ilovebeer@Of course history is based on the human race. That's exactly what I said. Is it not? You are confused about the definitions of nationality and race. We are all a part of a large group of individuals. Why do you want to subdivide it into small more defined groups? Your statement on the 16th and the 13th are complete contradictions. We're all apart of the human race and we're Chinese too? I don't care about race. October 19, 2009 ilovebeer@ cigars898 arguments is so confusing and unconvincing. Cigars replied to dentification "I could give a rat's ass about race 10/17". And again cigars replied to me on 10/17 "History is based on human race. That is exactly what I (cigars) said". And again (cigars) last sentence "I don't care about race". And replying dentification 10/17, Cigars mentioned that he and up to his great grandfather are from Holland. That means cigars is a Holland. Huh!!! Cigars brain must be getting worse. On 10/10. Cigars say "I think I (cigars) will call myself Taiwanese." Poor cigars. All countries call his country NETHERLANDS as the correct usage. But cigars still calls his country Holland. Poor cigars, always writing nonsense and forgetting he is a DUTCHMAN. MY DUTCHMAN FRIEND. "BETTER STOP SMOKING. YOUR BRAIN IS GETTING WORSE. ALSO WATCH OUT FOR YOUR LUNG.S, HAVE A EXECUTIVE GENERAL CHECK-UP BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE". October 20, 2009 andrerieu22Z@ If one compares the level of the comments section from this newspaper to the remainder of Taiwan's English newspapers, one has to be quite flabbergasted by the sheer intolerance of China Post readers. The DPP might be full of contradictions and faults. But for the sake of tolerance and yes, peace in Taiwan, I wish this country (island, or whatever) will never be ruled either by the like of the ultra-nationalist contributors above. The bulk of Taiwanese are neither outspoken pro-Green or pro-Blue, so why not moderate your tone and try to reason moderately in public forums like this one? Then, maybe, your views will cease to disgust and start to convince readers. October 22, 2009 johnny.brian@ DPP and pro-green think they rightfully rule Taiwan based on the 400 years migration, KMT and pro-blue think they rightfully rule Taiwan based on the turnover from Japanese government after WWII. Anyway, who are these people? They are Chinese and the outcast from mainland, without proper identity and continue to create problem among themselves. Taiwan is their politics platform and arena of mud slinging war. Sellout of Taiwan is nothing more than a political propaganda created by DPP because they claimed to be patriotic and loved this island. DPP was given the chance to rule for 8 years, the result was very unsatisfactory and a laughing stock. I don't dance to political tunes. If these facts are unacceptable, there is no peace and hope at all for the future generation born and living in Taiwan. October 23, 2009 anotherdog58@ Hello Johnny Brian,I do not know from where you got the "fact" that during the last eight years "the result was unsatisfactory and a laughing stock" During this last eight years Taiwan's became know for high tech and high quality. Computers, Semiconductors TV’s, whatever. Certainly the seed was done in the years before, but one argument why the development was so extra ordinary good, is that for first time non-KMT CEO's and leaders were selected. It is offending to call Taiwanese people outcast from the mainland, you can call them Chinese Taiwanese, or Taiwanese Chinese if you like, but in the first idea they are proud what achieved, which is freedom and democracy. Now I see some parts of the KMT transforming to the good too and with that we can all hope, that both parties will defend Taiwan against Ultraconservatives and Nationalists, like some of ones mentioned before and criticized also by andrerieu22Z. October 27, 2009 johnny.brian@ Hello, anotherdog58. Was it only last 8 years that Taiwan became a global supplier of high tech products, especially in the computing industry? I weighted this matter that Pres. Chiang Ching Kuo worked hard for Taiwan to become powerful nation. The laughing stock and unsatisfactory I referred to was the performance of the DPP, which always promoted something else like UN for Taiwan or changing CKS Memorial Hall into Taiwan Democratic Memorial Hall. Both these phrases are absolutely wrong. I agreed with what you said that some part of KMT is transforming to good and both parties will defend Taiwan. October 30, 2009 anotherdog58@ Hello Johnny BrianThanks for your explanations. I did not live in Taiwan under CKS and I only know from books and museums like the one in green island about that time. I could understand that a certain fraction of the people are hurt, giving this man this beautiful landmark mausoleum. And even if this people is only 10% of the population I would support this renaming due to the severe crimes, CKS committed (especially in mainland china): There were good reasons why he was not popular under Chinese common people 60 years ago In today's China Post again the KMT slogan of "disastrous performance of the former administration" by a suggestive question is posted, which I regard as an annoying lie. I wrote the base of the wealth and power of Taiwan was done years before but the replacement with some non - KMT members certainly helped the country. Especially for the computing industry the last 8 to 12 years were important and their success would not have been possible under a "disastrous performance ". But I guess I agree with you that some of DPP actions were merely to win votes and not necessarily for the good of Taiwan. And your first example, the U.N. participation, but also the "sellout" topic of this article, addresses this points. The arguments and examples the author brought are rather ridiculous, and I also do not agree to his conclusion, that it really worked out: first, the gain in votes is not so big, second, KMT voters will not change to DPP because KMT is too less "Taiwanese". After all, Lee Teng hui was a KMT president and not all of his supporters went with him! |
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Instead KMT is trying to be appeared as Taiwanese as possible which put it only in second place next to DPP. KMT does not know that it cannot topple DPP to take 1st Taiwaneseness. If KMT were bold enough to tell DPP everyday, on every occasion that "we" are from the same ancestral land, "we" have the common ancestors and origin, and difference is only the time frame we arrived on this land called Taiwan, then the Taiwan would not be as divided as today. It's the blunder of KMT which make nearsighted DPP so successful. Also, KMT is as nearsighted as DPP, cannot see beyond the election. For election, to be elected, both will use any means at the expense of long term interest of the country.